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I agree. I wasn't blaming just slin for the change that would be stupid. There are 101 factors in play. I think diets are the main one. But slin and hgh definitely influence things for many people. Some bodybuilders are so insulin resistant from years of abuse it only adds to a certain look we have in our head (distended guts). Then with all the food (usually bland food void of nutrients) it only worsens things over time. This is very complex though and again I am not stating it's just due to slin and hgh. I had distention issues long before using either of those drugs for example. So I am sure many 250-300 pound bodybuilders will be exactly the same.
I have seen his protocols as well. 80-100iu insulin per day pre and post workout with 2 daily sessions. But that is just one way to use insulin and is extremely effective because they are using rapid acting slin when they are training/active and they are using high volume training. Many people don't use insulin that way. Others use 100iu lantus and take big shots of hgh through the day for example and eat around the clock whilst training 1 hour per day. A bit like Milos's loading creatine (could be 80g per day) in most of his peak weeks. It goes against the standard results and side effects of what many other people notice. Just like if you can take large amounts of adrol and get bigger and tigther or blow up full of water... same drug but different results/side effects depending upon other factors.
The biggest factor is the mindset these days because of the judging in open bodybuilding. If 20 years ago the judges said we want bb's to be as conditioned as possible with no distention and were strict I am sure we would have a different look. But Dorian came, then Ronnie and even when they were off with some distention they would still win. Jay Cutler had to get bigger and bigger to compete with Ronnie then he finally took over and so on. It has changed an odd year and even this one but that was just because so many of the big guys were off this year so they had to give it to Rhoden.
There are many reasons but I think the main ones are obvious and were mentioned by Jeff the other day (your opening post) and again by Little Slice above. Although I disagree people don't train as hard these days as I think they do. They are just eating differently and generally not suffering as much. All I see on IG are big pro's having burger refeeds, poptarts etc every 3 days during prep to prevent them losing fullness for example. Very few are starving themselves and suffering to get as conditioned as possible.
Great post and agreed. Especially that last post.
I do think with milos protocol the trick is all the volume with the slin. Means different partitioning of nutrients making it more effective overall.
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