Curcumin: Overhyped trend?

Arko. · Jan 13, 2017

Hard to say either way, but i just started using raw tumeric root that i just chop up into little pieces and down like capsules. I do believe we cant go wrong with the natural forms of various products.
Im very surprised with how well raw ginger works to help pain, amoung other things and tumeric is part of the same family.

Keep in mind for every natural substance that works, youll find studies discrediting them.. likely funded by big pharma indirectly because they want you to buy their products.

G.I.Bro · Jan 13, 2017

Arko. said:
Hard to say either way, but i just started using raw tumeric root that i just chop up into little pieces and down like capsules. I do believe we cant go wrong with the natural forms of various products.
Im very surprised with how well raw ginger works to help pain, amoung other things and tumeric is part of the same family.

Keep in mind for every natural substance that works, youll find studies discrediting them.. likely funded by big pharma indirectly because they want you to buy their products.

I can tell you with a good amount of certainty that raw turmeric's bioavailability is so low, you aren't getting much from that compared to these extracts. It's pretty well established the low bioavailability is the hurdle here.

TooPowerful4u · Jan 13, 2017

I can tell you with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY ........

After prep i hadnt stocked on LEF BCM-95 and ran out..... stopped for about a month. Knees were KILLING ME again (just like before i started it and attributed the recovery to BPC, TB, cissus, GH which im sure did HELP)... and couldnt figure out why (i went with wear and tear and reduced frequency which barely helped).

Finally slowed down and thought about what i had done to fix the prob initially and realized i was off curcumin (well and also resveratrol and Cissus) so i ordered it all and started back...

So far roughly 12 days and 2 leg workouts in and at least im not holding the sink and lowering myself onto the toilet anymore. Its improving day by day and hopefully restored soon....

KillerStack · Jan 14, 2017

You guys saying absorption is the problem - did you actually read the link? The problem is that curcumin seems to show activity where there is none due to the methods measuring biological activity used. That's how I read it, nothing to do with absorption from the digestive tract. The compounds gets in and seems to show activity but the data is faulty.

You always have to be wary of anecdotal reports. So many supplements have fallen out of favor despite tons of initially reported positive effects. Takes a while for people to notice it was mostly placebo.

Ehren · Jan 15, 2017

I just go by other people's positive reports on CRP in bloods. A huge worry of mine is cardimyopathy and inflammation generally as someone prone to asthma and allergies already (inflammatory issues). So for this reason, I'm in. Because its verifiable on bloods, up or down in an otherwise stable system (diet, drugs, generally the same). (BCM95 by the way)

All the other stuff, pain management, I dunno. But bloods don't lie. I don't believe in anything until see it on the blood tests of myself or others. Just going by Dante's and some trusted others at this point, as getting bloods done more than a couple times a year where I'm at is a big problem. Hope soon.

mule · Jan 15, 2017

G.I.Bro said:
First, I will say I am a user and proponent of curcumin. But articles like this make me wonder if its as amazing as we all like to think it is.

Deceptive curcumin offers cautionary tale for chemists : Nature News & Comment

Its called they know it works and could replace their patented drugs so it gets badmouthed, don't believe it, its bullshit

mule · Jan 15, 2017

KillerStack said:
You guys saying absorption is the problem - did you actually read the link? The problem is that curcumin seems to show activity where there is none due to the methods measuring biological activity used. That's how I read it, nothing to do with absorption from the digestive tract. The compounds gets in and seems to show activity but the data is faulty.

You always have to be wary of anecdotal reports. So many supplements have fallen out of favor despite tons of initially reported positive effects. Takes a while for people to notice it was mostly placebo.

just like steroids causing athletic benefits was up until the 1980s officially considered placebo lol

nothuman · Jan 15, 2017

Ehren said:
I just go by other people's positive reports on CRP in bloods. A huge worry of mine is cardimyopathy and inflammation generally as someone prone to asthma and allergies already (inflammatory issues). So for this reason, I'm in. Because its verifiable on bloods, up or down in an otherwise stable system (diet, drugs, generally the same). (BCM95 by the way)

All the other stuff, pain management, I dunno. But bloods don't lie. I don't believe in anything until see it on the blood tests of myself or others. Just going by Dante's and some trusted others at this point, as getting bloods done more than a couple times a year where I'm at is a big problem. Hope soon.

What kind of CRP results have you seen pre-curcumin? I've never had mine checked before curcumin, only after.

KillerStack · Jan 16, 2017

mule said:
Its called they know it works and could replace their patented drugs so it gets badmouthed, don't believe it, its bullshit

mule said:
just like steroids causing athletic benefits was up until the 1980s officially considered placebo lol

Not everything is a grand conspiracy by the evil drug manufacturers. This article doesn't even say curcumin doesn't work for any ailment, what it says is that the research is faulty due to curcumin being a "promiscuous chemical" which causes "false hits" on drug screens. The researchers actually want it to work but have been unable to develop drugs based on curcumin because of, according to the article, the aforementioned problems. Remember that millions of people swear by things like homeopathy but it has never been scientifically proven, and thhere has never been a solid proposed mechanism at work with homeopathy.

I'm not saying curcumin doesn't work, just that people need to be critical or they will fall for anything.

alfresco · Jan 25, 2017

Contrary to decades of hype, curcumin alone is unlikely to boost health

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/...rcumin-alone-is-unlikely-to-boost-health.html

DOGGCRAPP · Jan 25, 2017

I also remember everyone and their brother trying to debunk creatine when it came out....yet here it is standing the test of time still the number one proven supplement in bodybuilding.

So here we go again in the fitness world.

Whey protein works....no it sucks and this is why.
Waxy Maize/HBCD works....no it sucks and this is why
citrulline works...no it doesnt and here is why

its neverending....yet here is a supplement that the masses say helps joint pain immensely, shows REPEATEDLY on bloodwork that it lowers inflammation and again the trendy thing is ALWAYS TEAR DOWN what is popular.

Put any supplement in google and put "doesnt work" after it and youll see site after site saying why you shouldnt take it...its how you can make a name for yourself in many genre's.

You posted this yesterday Alfresco...about examine.com - alot of guys on here have used that site for years...they do a great job and put a great deal of research into their data. they dont bullshit around on that site.

I tend to believe them and the 280 links at the bottom

https://examine.com/supplements/curcumin/

bigNsmall · Jan 25, 2017

DOGGCRAPP said:
I also remember everyone and their brother trying to debunk creatine when it came out....yet here it is standing the test of time still the number one proven supplement in bodybuilding.

So here we go again in the fitness world.

Whey protein works....no it sucks and this is why.
Waxy Maize/HBCD works....no it sucks and this is why
citrulline works...no it doesnt and here is why

its neverending....yet here is a supplement that the masses say helps joint pain immensely, shows REPEATEDLY on bloodwork that it lowers inflammation and again the trendy thing is ALWAYS TEAR DOWN what is popular.

Put any supplement in google and put "doesnt work" after it and youll see site after site saying why you shouldnt take it...its how you can make a name for yourself in many genre's.

You posted this yesterday Alfresco...about examine.com - alot of guys on here have used that site for years...they do a great job and put a great deal of research into their data. they dont bullshit around on that site.

I tend to believe them and the 280 links at the bottom

https://examine.com/supplements/curcumin/

Wow, couldn't have said it better myself.

nothuman · Jan 25, 2017

KillerStack said:
Not everything is a grand conspiracy by the evil drug manufacturers. This article doesn't even say curcumin doesn't work for any ailment, what it says is that the research is faulty due to curcumin being a "promiscuous chemical" which causes "false hits" on drug screens. The researchers actually want it to work but have been unable to develop drugs based on curcumin because of, according to the article, the aforementioned problems. Remember that millions of people swear by things like homeopathy but it has never been scientifically proven, and thhere has never been a solid proposed mechanism at work with homeopathy.

I'm not saying curcumin doesn't work, just that people need to be critical or they will fall for anything.

To be fair, and correct me if I am wrong since I can only go by memory of your post history, but it sort of sounds like you just aren't a believer in supplements.

Big Dave Smith · Jan 26, 2017

My father is 73, soon to be 74. He's needed new knees for over a decade, but is too afraid to get the procedure. He won't take pills unless the doctor prescribes them to him.

He loses his mind when he doesn't have his curcumin.

"Hey, uh, make sure you order that stuff real soon. I can feel it when I don't take it"

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bigNsmall · Jan 26, 2017

Big Dave Smith said:
My father is 73, soon to be 74. He's needed new knees for over a decade, but is too afraid to get the procedure. He won't take pills unless the doctor prescribes them to him.

He loses his mind when he doesn't have his curcumin.

"Hey, uh, make sure you order that stuff real soon. I can feel it when I don't take it"

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Stuff has to be the real deal...

I work 2 jobs, alot of hours..now dealing with two babies plus training and I have basically no aches or pains since taking injectable Curcumin. No joint pain at all, can totally tell inflainflammation is low in my body right now.

bigNsmall · Jan 26, 2017

I also take Kratom too so that may play into it as well.

notorius · Jan 27, 2017

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jcc80 · Jan 27, 2017

notorius said:
anyone cares to inform me where I could get the injectable form at this web or else? maybe you could PM me if you are not allowed to display this info publicly. thanks.

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