Ast/Alt values very high - lab work included

scmtnboy · Oct 8, 2015

Need some guidance here friends. I have been off everything for about 4 months and even on orals my levels have never been over 100. They are 104/263 right now. I eat rather healthy and lift 6 days a week. This test was in the morning before workout but with 5 days in a row of lifting prior to test. I know that can elevate your values. My plan is take Fri-Sun completely off and then re-test Monday morning. Any insights?

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MooseKnuckles · Oct 8, 2015

Synthergine has always helped lower my liver values

gotgame · Oct 9, 2015

I once got my AST and ALT to be 110 and 180 respectively from a ridiculous leg and back workout and then ran 10 miles home and had blood work done two days later. BUT it would be irresponsible of me to attribute your workout to those lab results without doing a repeat.

Im sure your physician is going to flip out a little bit and will want to do hep panels and maybe even and liver US. Id i were you id stop all exercise and supplements for a week and eat clean and drink plenty of water and get it repeated. They can tack on the hep panel for fun since its only an extra tube.

My guess is that it will be signficantly lower but if its still elevated then you would want to be worked up more. Please post up the results and let us know.

scmtnboy · Oct 9, 2015

Thanks guys. I am taking next three days off and will re-test on Monday. Just paying out of pocket through Private MD Labs. Was really just interested to see how I was recovered as far as test and e2 levels but the liver values completely surprised me.

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Omnapharm · Oct 9, 2015

They are elevated, but not seriously, so don't worry too much. No need to do it at this point.
I would however repeat the tests after several days of good dieting and rest.

NGL34 · Oct 9, 2015

scmtnboy said:
Thanks guys. I am taking next three days off and will re-test on Monday. Just paying out of pocket through Private MD Labs. Was really just interested to see how I was recovered as far as test and e2 levels but the liver values completely surprised me.

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Good deal, just make sure you pay attention to hydration. When BUN is high and Cr is normal-ism, this is a indication of dehydration. Try to get in some more fluids.

mp5navy187 · Oct 10, 2015

These are mines from 2 weeks ago and I posted here here thinking mine were high lol

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NGL34 · Oct 10, 2015

To put some perspective on this...I've seen a new liver transplant patient in surgical icu during recovery with an ALT/AST in the 800-900's. From my understanding a regular person shouldn't be overly concerned/worried until LFT's hit above 100.

NY Muscle · Oct 10, 2015

Mine were high ages ago before juice. I was eating like shit. No joke the values were in the 400s. I was like wtf. My Dr didn't think it was a big deal and said I have a fatty liver and to clean up my diet. Which I did plus tons of alpha lipoic acid. Liver values were normal within a month.
What I found interesting was on my follow up the dr asked what I did and when I told him about the ALA he said he would have recommended it to me if I wasn't already taking it. I was impressed he was knowledgeable about it and this was probably 15+ years ago.

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mp5navy187 · Oct 10, 2015

I'm doing a detox only hrt right now sucks I've lost a lot of size just added anvar safer than oral prohormonez (halo)

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maldorf · Oct 10, 2015

scmtnboy said:
Thanks guys. I am taking next three days off and will re-test on Monday. Just paying out of pocket through Private MD Labs. Was really just interested to see how I was recovered as far as test and e2 levels but the liver values completely surprised me.

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GGT is supposed to be a live enzyme you can check that isn't affected so much by skeletal muscle breakdown. Try having that checked as well.

buck1973 · Oct 11, 2015

I train 5 days P/W never have i seen my enzymes up 1 point from it...
I have seen studies that claim it.
any OTC meds you taking? I know Acetaminophen some can have a reaction like this.
the Dr. will want a ferritin, and GGT,
and possibly a US.

mp5navy187 · Oct 11, 2015

I take adderall for my adhd. Which I kno mite affect my liver been taking it for 10 years

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Kaladryn · Oct 11, 2015

Omnapharm said:
They are elevated, but not seriously, so don't worry too much. No need to do it at this point.
I would however repeat the tests after several days of good dieting and rest.

You don't think 5 times the normal range is seriously elevated? I'm guessing you wouldn't consider it "serious" until it hits 10x times the normal range? We are talking ALT here, AST 5x normal wouldn't be as big of a deal, but ALT?

You might be right depending on your definition of serious, but I'd say to me, it's definitely: go off everything, eat clean, and retest in 1-2 weeks serious. If you had that same elevation after that, I'd see a specialist.

Kaladryn · Oct 11, 2015

mp5navy187 said:
These are mines from 2 weeks ago and I posted here here thinking mine were high lol

Those are normal exercise induced elevations, a doctor wouldn't even recommend retesting with elevations that low, definitely could just be meth also, er, I mean adderall, oh nm, same thing...

mp5navy187 · Oct 11, 2015

Kaladryn said:
Those are normal exercise induced elevations, a doctor wouldn't even recommend retesting with elevations that low, definitely could just be meth also, er, I mean adderall, oh nm, same thing...

Lol adderall brother has a form of meth but not even close to the real thing I never done it but I known people who have but thx

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scmtnboy · Oct 13, 2015

Here are my results from Monday's test after taking three days off training. Levels got better but still way out of range. Again j have been off everything and even on cycle levels were not very elevated. Interesting my test and e2 levels jumped a bunch in one week I assume due to the extra rest. Time to make a doctor appt? Buck and Kaladryn what do you think?

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BEASTZ6 · Oct 13, 2015

NY Muscle said:
Mine were high ages ago before juice. I was eating like shit. No joke the values were in the 400s. I was like wtf. My Dr didn't think it was a big deal and said I have a fatty liver and to clean up my diet. Which I did plus tons of alpha lipoic acid. Liver values were normal within a month.
What I found interesting was on my follow up the dr asked what I did and when I told him about the ALA he said he would have recommended it to me if I wasn't already taking it. I was impressed he was knowledgeable about it and this was probably 15+ years ago.

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I was in the same boat you were in about 12 years ago. My doctor said that my liver enzyme values were equal to those of a heavy drinker. I had a liver scan done to rule out tumors. I was ultimately diagnosed as having a fatty liver, which can be a prelude to scarring of the liver. I take tudca, ala and plenty of fish oil to keep my liver values in line.

gotgame · Oct 14, 2015

scmtnboy said:
Here are my results from Monday's test after taking three days off training. Levels got better but still way out of range. Again j have been off everything and even on cycle levels were not very elevated. Interesting my test and e2 levels jumped a bunch in one week I assume due to the extra rest. Time to make a doctor appt? Buck and Kaladryn what do you think?

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Not sure why you only waited 3 days because now you pretty much should see a physician rather then just keep getting your own blood drawn. Like I said in my post you should have waited a week as thats how long it can be elevated post very hard workouts. Mine was up to 180 2days after a workout which was much higher then I was expecting but not as high as some of the literature.

Since you already got it done I guess now you should just go see a physician which by the time you see them it might go down even more but they might through on a hep panel and have you get a liver US.

Whats important is that you rule out badness that could be causing this and its not as simple as just taking a supplement as first you need to determine the cause.

Kaladryn · Oct 16, 2015

mp5navy187 said:
Lol adderall brother has a form of meth but not even close to the real thing I never done it but I known people who have but thx

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Meth is basically just a short ester and adderall is basically just a long ester, it's the same drug. Amazing they give kids meth isn't it?

scmtnboy said:
Here are my results from Monday's test after taking three days off training. Levels got better but still way out of range. Again j have been off everything and even on cycle levels were not very elevated. Interesting my test and e2 levels jumped a bunch in one week I assume due to the extra rest. Time to make a doctor appt? Buck and Kaladryn what do you think?

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Definitely see a doc, that is a serious elevation in ALT, you will probably get an ultrasound and further testing.