Morality.....

[gordo14]

I have a couple of quick questions .
1.Is it okfor a 28 yr old to be trying to get on HRT?
2. After a cycle i'm not fully recovered, and my test levels don't seem to have returned to normal, is it wrong to do everything in my power to keep them as low as possible to get Doc prescribed HRT? (I already have 2 children, and don't want any more)
3. If it is not overly deceptive in some of your opinions what can i do to make sure i give the lowest possible reading? I am supposed to fast for at least 12 hours prior. And i go in to give blood on monday the 9th.
And some background info, i have used prohormones in the past 3, 8 week cycles, with no pct. (I was uneducated) I also have run a test cyp cycle for 10 weeks at 500mg per week. Did a clomid nolva pct for 4 weeks after test cycle. Also used HCG during cycle. Stats are 5'11.33" Weigt at 295 body fat has not ben tested after 35 pounds of weight loss. I am guessing high teens 17-18%. Been lifting over ten years. Any input negative or positive is greatly appreciated. On a side note, my Doc said that bodybuilding can actually lower your natural testosterone production????? I wanted to laugh in his face, but he is a good doctor.

 

[phatkid77]

295 17%, id like to see pics..now, i remember being 20 thinking getting scripted test would be like winning the lottery..and at 29 i did get HRT...life is alot better now..you WANT HRT, but perhads dont want to NEED it....it is for life..oh well..

ive read that if you go drinking all weekend, dont sleep your levels will crash..
you could take a whack of saw palmetto...
some suggest taking wifes birthcontrol for 2 days...although im guessing your estrogen would sky rocket..

 

[gordo14]

Thanks for the response.

295 17%, id like to see pics..now, i remember being 20 thinking getting scripted test would be like winning the lottery..and at 29 i did get HRT...life is alot better now..you WANT HRT, but perhads dont want to NEED it....it is for life..oh well..

ive read that if you go drinking all weekend, dont sleep your levels will crash..
you could take a whack of saw palmetto...
some suggest taking wifes birthcontrol for 2 days...although im guessing your estrogen would sky rocket..

I will try to get some decent pics posted, i always have trouble with the lighting, and my posing sucks. Plus i am shy i alwyas look in the mirror and see an obese whale. LOL! Maybe because i am an obese whale.

 

[ghostdog128]

Morality in my opinion is a personal thing. I believe what I believe in, not what other people tell me is right or wrong. Do what you feel is right. On a side note your doctor was somewhat right about BB lowering natural test. Anything that causes natural cortisol to go high and stay relatively high will lower test levels, among other processes. Look at long distance runners, their test levels are on par with castration victims sometimes.

On a hypothetical note, if I were trying to get my test levels super low, I would run a tren only cycle for 6 weeks or so. Test levels should be bottomed out by the end.

 

[phatkid77]

hes got two days....
NO SLEEP WILL HELP, lots of booze

 

[gordo14]

Thanks.

Morality in my opinion is a personal thing. I believe what I believe in, not what other people tell me is right or wrong. Do what you feel is right. On a side note your doctor was somewhat right about BB lowering natural test. Anything that causes natural cortisol to go high and stay relatively high will lower test levels, among other processes. Look at long distance runners, their test levels are on par with castration victims sometimes.

On a hypothetical note, if I were trying to get my test levels super low, I would run a tren only cycle for 6 weeks or so. Test levels should be bottomed out by the end.

Great outlook on morality..........its all in what you can live with yourself as a person. I am not going to run anything to lower it(tren). I was wondering if there was everyday things you could do to lower it a certain food, rubbing one off right before the test. Things like that. Plus i thought this would be a good topic to discuss openly in the forum.

 

[pesty4077]

I have a couple of quick questions .
1.Is it okfor a 28 yr old to be trying to get on HRT?
2. After a cycle i'm not fully recovered, and my test levels don't seem to have returned to normal, is it wrong to do everything in my power to keep them as low as possible to get Doc prescribed HRT? (I already have 2 children, and don't want any more)
3. If it is not overly deceptive in some of your opinions what can i do to make sure i give the lowest possible reading? I am supposed to fast for at least 12 hours prior. And i go in to give blood on monday the 9th.
And some background info, i have used prohormones in the past 3, 8 week cycles, with no pct. (I was uneducated) I also have run a test cyp cycle for 10 weeks at 500mg per week. Did a clomid nolva pct for 4 weeks after test cycle. Also used HCG during cycle. Stats are 5'11.33" Weigt at 295 body fat has not ben tested after 35 pounds of weight loss. I am guessing high teens 17-18%. Been lifting over ten years. Any input negative or positive is greatly appreciated. On a side note, my Doc said that bodybuilding can actually lower your natural testosterone production????? I wanted to laugh in his face, but he is a good doctor.

It will be hard at you age, to have a doctor prescibe you HRT, but not unheard of. You do have to have very low test levels, however. I think you need to focus on nutrition more, you are one big guy, I would like to see pictures, this would definetly help. At you age, I doubt they would ever prescibe more than 100-200mg, per week.

 

[gordo14]

aI always get flack about my scale weight.

It is ok to be skeptical of me i understand everyone is just trying to help. I was at about 325 when i first started posting on this board, and was at around 23% boddyfat, and i shared all this info. I am down to 295 and have not lost any muscle, only gained more, I am guessing at my new body fat % though. 325*.23=74.75 pounds of fat. I have reduced my weight to 295. Thats 30 pounds of fat. so 44.75 pounds of fat on a 295 pound frame. Again this is all guestimation. Am i to far off though? And thanks for your response Pesty. I need to get some pics up to show everyone my bodytype i guess.

 

[phatkid77]

as long as your doctor is good, and infact have low levels...you may be alright..

i had to beg my GP, promise not to double dose, or sell it (he knows about my past use)...even told him i would go to the office every week..."i just want to feel normal"..when i told him all that, he was OK with letting me do it..

my specialist knows that ref ranges are just that...us in our 20's should not have test levels of a 75 yr old man... GPs dont fully grasp that however...

 

[pesty4077]

It is ok to be skeptical of me i understand everyone is just trying to help. I was at about 325 when i first started posting on this board, and was at around 23% boddyfat, and i shared all this info. I am down to 295 and have not lost any muscle, only gained more, I am guessing at my new body fat % though. 325*.23=74.75 pounds of fat. I have reduced my weight to 295. Thats 30 pounds of fat. so 44.75 pounds of fat on a 295 pound frame. Again this is all guestimation. Am i to far off though? And thanks for your response Pesty. I need to get some pics up to show everyone my bodytype i guess.

Well, you made great progress, keep up the good job. What you are doing is not easy(dropping that kind of weight). It looks like the way you are going, when you do get lean, you are going to be still big. Yea, I would like to see pictures, not to judge you, but to encourage you. Do you have someone helping you with your diet?

 

[gordo14]

Just me....

Well, you made great progress, keep up the good job. What you are doing is not easy(dropping that kind of weight). It looks like the way you are going, when you do get lean, you are going to be still big. Yea, I would like to see pictures, not to judge you, but to encourage you. Do you have someone helping you with your diet?

And of course all the great recipes posted on the board. Everything that i have learned about my body over the years, as well as all the usefull info i have aquirred here has allowed me to lose the weight.

 

[pesty4077]

And of course all the great recipes posted on the board. Everything that i have learned about my body over the years, as well as all the usefull info i have aquirred here has allowed me to lose the weight.

Well, you are definitly doing your homework. Stay focused!

 

[ghostdog128]

Great outlook on morality..........its all in what you can live with yourself as a person. I am not going to run anything to lower it(tren). I was wondering if there was everyday things you could do to lower it a certain food, rubbing one off right before the test. Things like that. Plus i thought this would be a good topic to discuss openly in the forum.

Well.... Honestly, if you're looking to lower it without drugs, then I would just overtrain the shit out of yourself literally. Do fullbody workouts everyday, followed by 2 or 3 hours of cardio, high intesity style. That should overtrain the crap out of you, drive your cortisol sky high and hopefully lower your natural test enough. You'll feel like shite, and almost guaranteed to get sick but I would think it'll drive you test numbers down.

 

[natabolic]

I have one tip that would help you get on HRT. Read "Your Doctor, Your Dealer" It is the most information packed article with advice to help temporarily lower your test levels, to beat the blood test, and get on HRT

**broken link removed**

Try that out

ps. nothing immoral about getting juice. LOL. Your not breaking any of the 10 commandments by helping your doctor to believe you need testosterone. Note, i said helping, not lying

 

[ghostdog128]

I have one tip that would help you get on HRT. Read "Your Doctor, Your Dealer" It is the most information packed article with advice to help temporarily lower your test levels, to beat the blood test, and get on HRT

**broken link removed**

Try that out

ps. nothing immoral about getting juice. LOL. Your not breaking any of the 10 commandments by helping your doctor to believe you need testosterone. Note, i said helping, not lying

Good article, pretty much what I recommended. Overtrain, no sleep, alcohol. Everything you can do to jack up cortisol levels.

 

[gordo14]

Hey ghost and Nat

Thanks a million! i appreciate your time!

 

[phatkid77]

pretty sure i said that right off the bat....

 

[natabolic]

Good article, pretty much what I recommended. Overtrain, no sleep, alcohol. Everything you can do to jack up cortisol levels.

Yeah bro, i actually meant to quote you before posting that article, it just goes a bit more in depth than you did, but just doing what you said would do quite a bit. You had good advice too bro, i was just expanding

Thanks a million! i appreciate your time!

No problem. ACTUALLY thank ghost, hes the one that made me remember the article, by reading what he posted

 

[gordo14]

And Phats...

pretty sure i said that right off the bat....

Thanks for your response, and you hit the nail right on the head. What you said from the jump off is what the article said. It is going to be weird doing everything ass backwards. Overtrain, don't sleep or eat, and drink plenty of alcohol. Sounds like what most of the average americans already do.

 

[pesty4077]

Thanks for your response, and you hit the nail right on the head. What you said from the jump off is what the article said. It is going to be weird doing everything ass backwards. Overtrain, don't sleep or eat, and drink plenty of alcohol. Sounds like what most of the average americans already do.

Oh, try owning a business, the stress levels alone will decrease your test levels