i think u got it right. to win on that level you have to be thick, hard, grainy, vascular, gotta have symmetry and balance because if u are top or bottom heavy forget it. im just going to jr nats this year to get my feet wet, let the judges see me. cause it will be the last time they see this physique. next year im on stage 5'8" 240lbs and i dare a superheavy to stand next to me and think he's gotta chance.