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High gh only or add slin

bigdog123

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Firstly I've used gh before numerous times, albeit many years back and also slin numerous times going up to 40iu per day on a few occasions.

Decided to run gh again after a long break and thinking of 10-15iu per day of generics along with a decent aas course.

Thought of adding slin but firstly I have none and secondly it never seemed to help much before except add 2-3lb water which disappeared on cessation.

Is this much gh ok for a 6 months without slin or is rising blood glucose levels an issue?

For the record I'm 230 at 5'8 on hrt now for 9months. Except to get up into 250's.
 

Markosterone

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You will probably be fine without slin.
But i would recommend using it with your hgh.

Specially with that amount.

You don't need that much slin to get te benefits of it. Just make sure you time it right for your goals..
 

JustinWK

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If you're using that much insulin and not seeing results, you're doing something wrong.

Especially with that much growth...
 

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I don't know how anybody can grow on 10IU+ of quality GH without the use of insulin. The amount of calories that I can gulp down on GH without gaining body weight is insane... Pre, intra and post carbs together with sufficient insulin help immensely in getting those nutrients into the muscle cell and to add some more calories overall.
 

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Have you been blasting/cruise this entire time or have you pct'd off? What is your hrt protocol?
 

bigdog123

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Have you been blasting/cruise this entire time or have you pct'd off? What is your hrt protocol?

I've been on hrt for nine months. Test at about 175mg per week.

Nothing else. Blast/cursing for the last ten years but generally do 6-8 weeks blast and about 26 weeks cruise.
 

bigdog123

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If you're using that much insulin and not seeing results, you're doing something wrong.

Especially with that much growth...

Generally never gone over 20iu slin (except odd occasion years back).

When I was using gh it was up to 8-10iu generics and about 10iu slim all.post workout.

The Times I increased slin I never used much gh.
 

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I'm getting ready to do something similar to attempt to add some high quality LBM this winter.

just 300mg test + 420mg primo

with 5iu GH+5iu novolin-r injection x2 per day

one shot AM and then 6 hours later (approximately) one shot post-workout

this has worked really well in the past so it should work really well again. I couldn't expect to gain 20lb like you are expecting but I think I will do well if I gain 8lb!
 

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With that much GH you should be using Insulin regardless to keep stress off your pancreas and keep your blood sugar from being chronically elevated. It will actually be extremely unhealthy for you to not use Insulin in this cycle.
 

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Sent you a PM.


I'm getting ready to do something similar to attempt to add some high quality LBM this winter.

just 300mg test + 420mg primo

with 5iu GH+5iu novolin-r injection x2 per day

one shot AM and then 6 hours later (approximately) one shot post-workout

this has worked really well in the past so it should work really well again. I couldn't expect to gain 20lb like you are expecting but I think I will do well if I gain 8lb!
 

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Regardless you will likely make progress with the GH, however I would definitely monitor you fasted glucose at a minimum either way. You dont want that to be conically elevated for a long time due to the gh, even for just health reasons.
 

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With that much GH insulin would be a great addition especially when trying to gain , I think it would be hard for the body to assimilate all the nutrition without the insulin.

I think being that you have been on TRT for a good while and are "baselined" at 230 running the HGH with insulin at 5iu HGH and 10iu Humulin-R (or Novalin-R) twice a day like "Matsuo Munefusa" suggest would work great.

I'd bump the test dose to 300mg a day with 200mg of Mastron to get a good anabolic/androgen mix , train like a machine and eat like an animal and 250 should be easy.

PERSONALLY , I would start my carbs out at 2g per IU insulin during the active life of the slin , run higher protein like at least 1.5g per and add in some healthy fats. I think this would keep the nutrition surplus high enough to grow well but not be in so.much of a calorie surplus that it will add much if any fat
 

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With that much GH insulin would be a great addition especially when trying to gain , I think it would be hard for the body to assimilate all the nutrition without the insulin.

I think being that you have been on TRT for a good while and are "baselined" at 230 running the HGH with insulin at 5iu HGH and 10iu Humulin-R (or Novalin-R) twice a day like "Matsuo Munefusa" suggest would work great.

I'd bump the test dose to 300mg a day with 200mg of Mastron to get a good anabolic/androgen mix , train like a machine and eat like an animal and 250 should be easy.

PERSONALLY , I would start my carbs out at 2g per IU insulin during the active life of the slin , run higher protein like at least 1.5g per and add in some healthy fats. I think this would keep the nutrition surplus high enough to grow well but not be in so.much of a calorie surplus that it will add much if any fat
:confused:
 

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With that much GH insulin would be a great addition especially when trying to gain , I think it would be hard for the body to assimilate all the nutrition without the insulin.

I think being that you have been on TRT for a good while and are "baselined" at 230 running the HGH with insulin at 5iu HGH and 10iu Humulin-R (or Novalin-R) twice a day like "Matsuo Munefusa" suggest would work great.

I'd bump the test dose to 300mg a day with 200mg of Mastron to get a good anabolic/androgen mix , train like a machine and eat like an animal and 250 should be easy.

PERSONALLY , I would start my carbs out at 2g per IU insulin during the active life of the slin , run higher protein like at least 1.5g per and add in some healthy fats. I think this would keep the nutrition surplus high enough to grow well but not be in so.much of a calorie surplus that it will add much if any fat

300mg test per day or per week?
 

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LOL I am sure that is a typo, Gunsmith has never been one to suggest extreme high doses of AAS.

I also eat an extremely high carb diet on or off insulin. On insulin I would be aiming for 200g carbs +100g protein/low fats during the first 6 hour window and 200g carbs + 100g protein/low fats during the second 6 hour window with a subsequent 100-200g carbs + 50g protein/high fats during nighttime. But I eat a lot of carbohydrates....more than somebody normally does :)

something like this works for me...
500g carb/250g pro/100g fat

off slin the numbers just get adjusted (less carbs + more protein)
 
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You should definitely use insulin if you take GH, especially if you go up like you mentioned!
There is no really reason for not using insulin but many to use it with GH friend.
 
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[lang=de]i'm actually running nearly the same - and i'd strongly recomment to use slin! at least 3-4 times 10iu to each meal and pre-workout[/lang]
 

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