Igf-1, Bw, AA 0.6%

[TMAC250]

Ok I have been everywhere on multiple boards on reconstituting igf! everyone has different ideas and ways to mix it. I finally went with 1mg igf-1 mixed with 2ml/cc of AA and 8ml/cc of Bw. Is this correct? I'm keeping it refrigerated and I'm running 15mcg daily to prevent receptor downregulation....this is my first run of igf-1 and I'm using it as part of my pct with aromasin,nolvadex and hcg. what should I expect to feel from the igf I have only been on for 3 days but as of now I feel nothing. Any advice or input would be greatly appreciated. I'm 6'2" 250lbs at 10%bf 29yrs of age

 

[TMAC250]

gee thanks for all the useful info and input

 

[TMAC250]

for anyone who may have had the same questions the way i mixed it is one of the correct days to do it. i am on day five of igf and my workouts are amazing! pumps are awesome and my strength is up on every single lift! i am working with a pro bodybuilder in my area and the only thing he had me change was i dropped the dose from 15mcg to 10mcg and added alpha lipoic acid and chromium picolinate today. after 4 weeks i will take a 2 week break and start again this time maybe using insulin a few times a week.

 

[rongo]

for anyone who may have had the same questions the way i mixed it is one of the correct days to do it. i am on day five of igf and my workouts are amazing! pumps are awesome and my strength is up on every single lift! i am working with a pro bodybuilder in my area and the only thing he had me change was i dropped the dose from 15mcg to 10mcg and added alpha lipoic acid and chromium picolinate today. after 4 weeks i will take a 2 week break and start again this time maybe using insulin a few times a week.

good info here

 

[w2000ca]

1mg igf-1 mixed with 2ml/cc of AA and 8ml/cc of Bw. [/QUOTE]

how do u do this bro? cus my igf bottle is only a 2ml bottle.... so how would i put 10 ml into it to mix it? (2ml aa and 8 ml bw)

 

[HammerStrengthMe]

You need to get a empty sterile 10ml vial. What is Acetic Acid for? What if it's not used?

 

[el bruto]

AA is used for stability from what I understand. Because IGF is so fragile.

 

[bigtasty25]

You shouldnt really be running IGF for longer than a month at a time as it is...or 28 days..so is AA really needed? from what ive read, AA keeps it stable for 2 months or so... if its like any other peptide Id imagine it should be just fine in bacteriostatic water....

and if u really do need AA...can you just use vinegar instead? And is the AA from chemical shops straight aa..or is it a % concentrate (from what ive gathered ive heard .6%)

 

[Jim550]

No you did it wrong. There is no reason to dilute the igf in 10cc's of solution. You should have simply diluted it with 1-2cc's of AA. You then draw a little bw in your slin pin and then draw the desired amount of igf next and then ur ready to inject.

 

[concreter]

I've also read that AA water is best because the frag is so small that it can get caught in the grooves of the glass vial, at micro size to small to see.

 

[Bigtwinjc]

Listen to Jim550. Don't even think about using vinegar or AA from a chemical supplier. You put 2cc of 0.6% AA in vial that is it. Draw out amount needed for use. Then draw out double that amount from BW bottle. So 1/3 in syringe should be from Igf bottle and 2/3 from BW bottle. Reason for that is so it doesn't burn as much when you inject from the AA. You can make your own 0.6% AA if you want. Get 5% White vinegar from store and empty 10ml vial. Put filter 8.8 ml of BW in vial and then filter 1.2 ml of 5% vinegar in vial and mix. Good Luck and Good Bless.

 

[rock75]

Here is a good write up you should read.... some may protest it but from all the research that I am reading everyone is dropping down to these micro doses and having good results...to each their own.

Article by Dave Palumbo concerning IGF

(1)-STORAGE OF IGF-1(prior to mixing)
Lyophilized (dry) IGF-1is stable at room temperture for three weeks; however, it should be stored below -18 degrees celsius (in the freezer section).

(2)WEIGHT OF IGF-1
1 milligram (mg) IGF-1 = 1,000 mcg (micrograms) IGF-1 (dry weight- before mixing).

(3) WHAT TO MIX THE IGF-1 WITH
When reconstituting, it's important to remember IGF-1 can get "stuck" in the grooves of the glass bottle it comes packaged in. While glass appears smooth to the naked eye, under a microscope, it's a convoluted landscape of grooves and hidden recesses.
By mixing the lyophilized IGF-1 with an "sterile acetic acid" , the IGF-1 molecules are efficiently detached from the glass and solubilized in the mixture.

(4) ADDING THE ACETIC ACID
For the purposes of mathematical ease, I suggest mixing the dry 1 milligram (1,000 microgram) IGF-1 with 3ml (or 3cc) of the "acetic acid" mixture.

(5) PRESERVATION OF THE IGF-1
Next, using a 1cc insulin syringe draw out 1cc out of the bottle containing the 3cc acid water/IGF-1 mixture. In a seperate 1cc insulin syringe, draw up another 1cc of the solution. Freeze these two loaded insulin syringes. They will be utilized at a later date.NOTE: Freezing can safely and effectively preserve IGF-1(even after its been mixed).

(6) THE CORRECT DILUTION
To the remaining 1cc of IGF-1 thats left in the glass bottle, add 2cc of bacterialstatic water. This will return the total volume back up to 3cc.

(7) THE MATHEMATICS
(A) The original concentration of the IGF-1 solution was 1mg, (1000 micrograms),
IGF-1 in 3cc of water.

(B) Each 1cc that was removed, then, contained approximately 333 micrograms IGF-1 per 1cc.

1,000 micrograms/3cc = 333 micrograms per 1cc.

(C) The 1cc that was left in the bottle, then, also contains 333 micrograms of IGF-1.

(D) Next, we added 2cc of bacterialstatic water to the bottle and brought the volume back up to 3cc. The difference is we now have 333 micrograms in 3cc of water, (instead of in 1cc).

(E)To determine how much IGF-1 is in 1cc syringe, you must divide by three.

333 micrograms/3cc = 111 micrograms per 1cc.

(F) To determine how much IGF-1 is in .10cc (or 1/10thcc) we do the following:

111 micrograms/10 = 11micrograms per .10cc

(8)EFFICTIVE DOSAGES OF IGF-1
Dosages in the range of 10 to 20 micrograms per day, (taken 10 to 15 minuters after training), are quite effective for building and repairing muscle tissue.
More importantly, these moderate dosages, (by some peoples estimation),
stimulate muscle growth yet escape rapid "downregulation" of the all important IGF-1 receptors.
Without receptors to recognize the IGF-1, it doesn't matter how much you inject,
NOTHING will happen.
As dosages climb to over 50 micrograms per day, receptor downgrade increases exponentially, and from what I've observed among bodybuilders, muscle gains come to a screeching hault.

Bodybuilders will have the most sucess with IGF-1 if they follow the protocol I outlined below. REMEMBER, more isn't always better.

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 1) 333 micrograms

2 weeks OFF

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 2)** 333 micrograms

2 weeks OFF

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 3)** 333 micrograms

8 weeks OFF

** The second and third cycles of IGF-1 treatment require that the two Frozen 1cc insulin syringes be defrosted, (only defrost one per cycle).
Next, inject the defrosted solution into an empty bottle.
Further dilute with 2cc bacterialstatic water. When adding the 2cc of water, use the syringe that originally held the frozen IGF-1.
This also helps to wash the syringe and ensure that no IGF-1 is stuck inside of it.

 

[Jim550]

Listen to Jim550. Don't even think about using vinegar or AA from a chemical supplier. You put 2cc of 0.6% AA in vial that is it. Draw out amount needed for use. Then draw out double that amount from BW bottle. So 1/3 in syringe should be from Igf bottle and 2/3 from BW bottle. Reason for that is so it doesn't burn as much when you inject from the AA. You can make your own 0.6% AA if you want. Get 5% White vinegar from store and empty 10ml vial. Put filter 8.8 ml of BW in vial and then filter 1.2 ml of 5% vinegar in vial and mix. Good Luck and Good Bless.

You want to make sure that you draw the BW first before you draw the igf the reason being is it will make sure that all the igf is pushed out of the syringe and you aren't leaving any valuable igf in the syringe or needle....