TeknoViking FUE Thread (1951 Grafts)

[epoxy]

For deca, ya. Not npp though.

deca probably like 6 weeks isnt it? i know its "detectable" in a drug test for like 18 months but that's not the same thing.

 

[G.I.Bro]

deca probably like 6 weeks isnt it? i know its "detectable" in a drug test for like 18 months but that's not the same thing.

Ya that would be safe for sure. I mean 4 is probably sufficient. You just don't want a ton of active (cleaved) nandrolone circulating as it won't metabolize down to the lesser androgenic compound when finasteride is present. It's literally more androgenic than MENT at that point.

 

[crams60]

Tekno epoxy hows it going any updates? I am about 10 days away from my transplant.

 

[LEX]

Mine is scheduled for Sept. 5000 done in two sessions.

 

[G.I.Bro]

Mine is scheduled for Sept. 5000 done in two sessions.

Back to back sessions like day 1 day 2? That's quite a bit all at once.

 

[epoxy]

Back to back sessions like day 1 day 2? That's quite a bit all at once.

2 sessions would mean 2 days yeah.

 

[G.I.Bro]

2 sessions would mean 2 days yeah.

Ya that's my experience. But most docs in US hold it to around 2500 per visit (over 2 days)(Shapiro). That is a lot at once for FUE. It's a good thing if they have the staff. Who is doing your surgery LEX? At Shapiro an actual doctor manually does all incisions cites and extractions. Only the staff girls do the insertions into the incision sites. So 5000 would take more than 2 days.

 

[Anubis]

Ya that's my experience. But most docs in US hold it to around 2500 per visit (over 2 days)(Shapiro). That is a lot at once for FUE. It's a good thing if they have the staff. Who is doing your surgery LEX? At Shapiro an actual doctor manually does all incisions cites and extractions. Only the staff girls do the insertions into the incision sites. So 5000 would take more than 2 days.

Not to speak for Lex but he's going to Dr Vories, who did Epoxys hair, he's a top notch fue specialist and he is entirely hands on. He actually doesn't have staff do any part of the surgery other than filling his implanter pen. Reasoning for his ability to do a little more than some other docs per day lies with the implanter pen. Most docs still employ the slit approach and then have techs use forceps to implant, making inserting a two stage process. Implanter pen punches and implants in one motion so its a little faster. If you ever get to see it done in person it's pretty crazy how break neck speed the implanter pen docs work. As for 5k in one multi day procedure, this comes down to personal philosophy with docs, some docs just don't like to do it and prefer to keep it to smaller procedures...most will do 2500+ in an op but don't like to recommend those mega sessions in cases where the patient stands to see a good amount of future progression. Ie you're a nw3 heading towards nw5 one day and you're only 30 on no meds they're not going to put 5k grafts in but a nw 5 at 50+ who isn't going to see large scale progression and is on meds makes a much more suitable candidate for that so there is no one rule, you also need to take into account goals, donor hair availability so you just have to make sure you're meeting great docs who are giving you a game plan that takes your future into account and your best interest into account and Vories would be one of those docs.

 

[machinemind]

Great thread, thank you

 

[Deleted member 106824]

Not to speak for Lex but he's going to Dr Vories, who did Epoxys hair, he's a top notch fue specialist and he is entirely hands on. He actually doesn't have staff do any part of the surgery other than filling his implanter pen. Reasoning for his ability to do a little more than some other docs per day lies with the implanter pen. Most docs still employ the slit approach and then have techs use forceps to implant, making inserting a two stage process. Implanter pen punches and implants in one motion so its a little faster. If you ever get to see it done in person it's pretty crazy how break neck speed the implanter pen docs work. As for 5k in one multi day procedure, this comes down to personal philosophy with docs, some docs just don't like to do it and prefer to keep it to smaller procedures...most will do 2500+ in an op but don't like to recommend those mega sessions in cases where the patient stands to see a good amount of future progression. Ie you're a nw3 heading towards nw5 one day and you're only 30 on no meds they're not going to put 5k grafts in but a nw 5 at 50+ who isn't going to see large scale progression and is on meds makes a much more suitable candidate for that so there is no one rule, you also need to take into account goals, donor hair availability so you just have to make sure you're meeting great docs who are giving you a game plan that takes your future into account and your best interest into account and Vories would be one of those docs.

I had a good consult with Voires as we discussed. When you say they are unlikely to do a large amount of grafting with that 30 year old in your example is that because they wouldn't even have areas to put all the grafting, or because they would in part be guessing where the future hair would be lost, or what?

As you know I'm 27 and hoping to avoid meds. I live only 1.5 hours from Vories right now so I'm contemplating getting it done before I move back north (9-10 hours away) closer to all of my friends and family. I'm not sure I understanding entirely the downside in doing it earlier rather than later if one knows they're going to get it done eventually, as wouldn't you still need those same grafts placed later? Assuming one doesn't mind multiple surgeries of say 2500 + 2500 rather than waiting until they're 40 and getting 5000 done.

Having said that, it'll still only be one flight away but it would be nice to get it done before starting a new job and being around friends and family where the transplant would be more obvious and time off from work would be harder to come by.

 

[epoxy]

I had a good consult with Voires as we discussed. When you say they are unlikely to do a large amount of grafting with that 30 year old in your example is that because they wouldn't even have areas to put all the grafting, or because they would in part be guessing where the future hair would be lost, or what?

As you know I'm 27 and hoping to avoid meds. I live only 1.5 hours from Vories right now so I'm contemplating getting it done before I move back north (9-10 hours away) closer to all of my friends and family. I'm not sure I understanding entirely the downside in doing it earlier rather than later if one knows they're going to get it done eventually, as wouldn't you still need those same grafts placed later? Assuming one doesn't mind multiple surgeries of say 2500 + 2500 rather than waiting until they're 40 and getting 5000 done.

Having said that, it'll still only be one flight away but it would be nice to get it done before starting a new job and being around friends and family where the transplant would be more obvious and time off from work would be harder to come by.

I'd rather have multiple. I receded first, no sense in waiting another 10 years to see "what might happen" - I wanted the shit fixed NOW - so I did it. Not to mention you're splitting the cost up over a decade if you think about the possibility of maybe having to go twice.

Either way, I'm extremely pleased with the results after a year and even if my hair loss continued progressing I wouldn't change anything about what I did.

 

[Anubis]

I had a good consult with Voires as we discussed. When you say they are unlikely to do a large amount of grafting with that 30 year old in your example is that because they wouldn't even have areas to put all the grafting, or because they would in part be guessing where the future hair would be lost, or what?

As you know I'm 27 and hoping to avoid meds. I live only 1.5 hours from Vories right now so I'm contemplating getting it done before I move back north (9-10 hours away) closer to all of my friends and family. I'm not sure I understanding entirely the downside in doing it earlier rather than later if one knows they're going to get it done eventually, as wouldn't you still need those same grafts placed later? Assuming one doesn't mind multiple surgeries of say 2500 + 2500 rather than waiting until they're 40 and getting 5000 done.

Having said that, it'll still only be one flight away but it would be nice to get it done before starting a new job and being around friends and family where the transplant would be more obvious and time off from work would be harder to come by.

Pumped, you nailed part of it with the the doctor doesn't want to be trying to implant with the idea of anticipating future loss. Among 2 different nw 5s there is variation in how the loss will manifest so you can't just throw grafts in some sort of general loss pattern and think well this guys good for the next x number of years now. It may buy a few years that way but a crack will appear and you may have spread your donor thin strengthening areas that didn't need help and now you've got an area that could use more grafts and you're short on donors. Transplant docs work with the problems they can see not the ones they think may come, they just game plan for the one they think may come. As for having room to put the grafts, there is a such thing as overkill when it comes to hair transplants. The number varies given our individual hair characteristics but to the eye past a certain density the differences aren't noticeable, it just looks like a full head of hair so could you put more grafts in there, yes, but why, you're not going to look any better...it will style easier but the potential trade off of trying to get that is increased risk...the more grafts per cm/sq2 that the docs try to place the more it eats into blood supply, and the more risk of possible transection so for no visual improvement you could end up with a net loss...or it becomes a little easier to style if it all goes well. Risk vs reward.

There isn't a downside to getting a surgery earlier in your loss and doing multiple procedures thru the years vs waiting and doing a larger one. Just a different approach. The further developed your hair loss pattern is the more aggressive you can afford to be...as you're earlier in your hair loss you just have to be less aggressive but that doesn't mean you can't get surgery or aren't a good candidate for it now. The problem usually comes from young guys who are starting to show crown loss along with hairline regression, they often want a do it all right now surgery and they unfortunately can't. Crown loss eats up grafts and tends to open up thru the years so if you patch it too early you can end up creating this halo effect where the implanted hair remains but a ring around it appears and looks awful. If you don't have the grafts to fix that what do you do...so back to proper game planning. If you're young you tackle what you're able to and not all of it potentially can be addressed right now depending on your loss level but again that doesn't mean some of it can't be.

 

[Deleted member 106824]

Pumped, you nailed part of it with the the doctor doesn't want to be trying to implant with the idea of anticipating future loss. Among 2 different nw 5s there is variation in how the loss will manifest so you can't just throw grafts in some sort of general loss pattern and think well this guys good for the next x number of years now. It may buy a few years that way but a crack will appear and you may have spread your donor thin strengthening areas that didn't need help and now you've got an area that could use more grafts and you're short on donors. Transplant docs work with the problems they can see not the ones they think may come, they just game plan for the one they think may come. As for having room to put the grafts, there is a such thing as overkill when it comes to hair transplants. The number varies given our individual hair characteristics but to the eye past a certain density the differences aren't noticeable, it just looks like a full head of hair so could you put more grafts in there, yes, but why, you're not going to look any better...it will style easier but the potential trade off of trying to get that is increased risk...the more grafts per cm/sq2 that the docs try to place the more it eats into blood supply, and the more risk of possible transection so for no visual improvement you could end up with a net loss...or it becomes a little easier to style if it all goes well. Risk vs reward.

There isn't a downside to getting a surgery earlier in your loss and doing multiple procedures thru the years vs waiting and doing a larger one. Just a different approach. The further developed your hair loss pattern is the more aggressive you can afford to be...as you're earlier in your hair loss you just have to be less aggressive but that doesn't mean you can't get surgery or aren't a good candidate for it now. The problem usually comes from young guys who are starting to show crown loss along with hairline regression, they often want a do it all right now surgery and they unfortunately can't. Crown loss eats up grafts and tends to open up thru the years so if you patch it too early you can end up creating this halo effect where the implanted hair remains but a ring around it appears and looks awful. If you don't have the grafts to fix that what do you do...so back to proper game planning. If you're young you tackle what you're able to and not all of it potentially can be addressed right now depending on your loss level but again that doesn't mean some of it can't be.

Great explanation, thanks. We were swimming recently and my dad, who knows I am complaining about my hair thinning, pointed out that I don't seem to be losing any from the back (crown). I think my hair might have still been dry at that point but still so far it seems I'm mostly getting the thinning. Also the nice thing about the transplants is there is no hospital fee because you do it awake in the office. So it's not like getting one big one vs two small ones saves in hospital fees or anything like that, it should be about the same cost (obviously over ten years cost will go up but so will income).

I just had heard numerous people say to wait until you're 30. In an ideal world I'd get one now and not have to worry about it until I'm 40 but that's probably dreaming. I'm not completely sure when I'll my first one....I still look relatively normal with the fibers in but it's getting harder to style how I want for sure.

 

[LEX]

Thanks Anubis, yes he nailed it.
Plus I'm old (47) and my loss is pretty much halted or at least going very slow at this point.

 

[TeknoViking]

Hey guys! I will throw up a few pictures this weekend since I am going on a little vacation.

I am really happy with the hair transplant. I forgot how much anxiety I had about my hair looking like shit all the time, trying to comb my hair the perfect way before I go out. Trying to decide if i should just shave it, what products I should be using to save the hair I have left.

I literally never think about it. The only thing I ever think about is how fucken good my hair looks. Whenever I go to the bathroom to piss or anything and look in the mirror I feel great.

Its a pretty wild ride while your healing from your HT but you just have to hang in there. I think December 29th is my one year and I am really happy with the results.

I will be honest this last year has been the lowest dose year I have had in the last 4 years. The three years prior I was pretty much blasting from 6-10 weeks, cruising for 3 weeks and then blasting again and this cycle went on for 3 years. So stopping that shit with the FUE procedure has put me in a good spot. My hair is way more thick all over, not just the areas that i had the FUE procedure in.

I am using rogaine foam every night before bed and taking dutasteride .5mg ed and some biotin and msm. That is it. I pretty much never wash my hair with shampoo maybe only 3 times a month and use a conditioner instead. I am really happy with this routine. If you do not use rogaine I really recommend that you start. I notice a huge difference when I am using it.

Anyways I wanted to update everyone since I let this thread die a bit.

 

[Deleted member 106824]

Hey guys! I will throw up a few pictures this weekend since I am going on a little vacation.

I am really happy with the hair transplant. I forgot how much anxiety I had about my hair looking like shit all the time, trying to comb my hair the perfect way before I go out. Trying to decide if i should just shave it, what products I should be using to save the hair I have left.

I literally never think about it. The only thing I ever think about is how fucken good my hair looks. Whenever I go to the bathroom to piss or anything and look in the mirror I feel great.

Its a pretty wild ride while your healing from your HT but you just have to hang in there. I think December 29th is my one year and I am really happy with the results.

I will be honest this last year has been the lowest dose year I have had in the last 4 years. The three years prior I was pretty much blasting from 6-10 weeks, cruising for 3 weeks and then blasting again and this cycle went on for 3 years. So stopping that shit with the FUE procedure has put me in a good spot. My hair is way more thick all over, not just the areas that i had the FUE procedure in.

I am using rogaine foam every night before bed and taking dutasteride .5mg ed and some biotin and msm. That is it. I pretty much never wash my hair with shampoo maybe only 3 times a month and use a conditioner instead. I am really happy with this routine. If you do not use rogaine I really recommend that you start. I notice a huge difference when I am using it.

Anyways I wanted to update everyone since I let this thread die a bit.

That was the main benefit I saw from getting my pubertal gyno removed. Going from hating taking my shirt off / seeing it to just never having to think about it anymore.

I'd use rogaine but there are several reports of cardiac issues from its use.

 

[epoxy]

That was the main benefit I saw from getting my pubertal gyno removed. Going from hating taking my shirt off / seeing it to just never having to think about it anymore.

I'd use rogaine but there are several reports of cardiac issues from its use.

I've done both in this lifetime now. Gyno removal, and a hair transplant. Changed my life both times. Now my biggest problem is trying to not be a piece of shit and stay a loyal one woman kinda guy

 

[warlock]

very good thread

Last set of photos was crazy TeknoViking. What a difference. Look forward to seeing the new photos.

A few questions for you or anyone that knows:

1) How long does it take for one to see the full effect? I'm assuming a few months?

2) After how many weeks/months, are you able to get a fuller hair look?

3) How many pieces of hair are in a graft?

 

[warlock]

One more question

How many days after the transplant were you able to go to the gym and work out?

 

[epoxy]

How many days after the transplant were you able to go to the gym and work out?

I waited about 10 days until I was healed well enough to wear a beanie because I looked like a fuckin FOOL for the first month, basically. That was the wost part. After the "open wound" healing, it just looks like you have a big sunburn in the shape of where you got your grafts (and youre bald there) - didn't exactly want to be seen by the world anymore than I had to. I was super lucky that I worked from home at the time and didn't have to go into the office.