Bad time to ask (fuck this year) but in general..
I started out wrestling and jiu jitsu. After a lot of self defense situations in bad places I came to value boxing more than anything else, including muay thai. If we're bored we can discuss why. But everything has value and I would consider judo in the future - bjj's daddy
What do you do (outside of pandemics) and how do you structure your training? Compete or mostly for fun/cardio/self defense?
Love this conversation lol
When I was really young I did Karate (like 8-13) got up to like brown belt but didn’t enjoy it because there was no real striking/fighting/sparring.. Then at 15-16 I got into Muay Thai and LOVED it, did that for about 2 years and then stopped all together, wanted to get “huge” and started my first cycle at 18, a couple years of not knowing what I was doing and inconsistency etc I started partying and didn’t take anything serious for a few years more. Then at 28 (I’m 30 now) I got into BJJ, did that for a bit and while I loved it, and it humbled me like nothing else, I used to be that guy who saw a UFC fight go to the ground and think “Fuck that bullshit, stand up and strike!” But it was a great experience and I learned a lot, BUUUT the gym I went to wasn’t as organized as I had hoped and they advertised 2 striking classes a week and they weren’t available when I was there because again, lack of structure, which is a shame because the head coach has been top 3 at ADCC World’s several times and won ADCC Nationals 2-3 times... Great guy and coach and produces some animals, but I wanted a little more out of it than they could give at the time..
Not only that but I’m not looking to compete or anything but self defense is important to me, I’ve been in some shit situations and seen even shittier situations.. And to be 100% honest, BJJ isn’t the best stand alone for self defense at all.. Not even close. Obviously in a perfect world it would be some boxing/Muay Thai WITH some heavy basics in wrestling and take downs. But overall boxing or kick boxing/Muay Thai is where it’s at for me in that regard..
It obviously takes a lot of time and effort to be great in boxing or Muay Thai or BJJ etc. But the fact is that it takes YEARS unless you’re some phenom, to be DANGEROUS in BJJ. I’m no phenom but once I got the hang of things the Blue Belts had a harder time submitting me, these are guys who had 2+ years under their belts while I had 2-3 months. Don’t get me wrong, I was still getting worked, but I got the hang of defending myself and went from getting subbed 3-4 times in a 3-5 minute round to not getting subbed at all at times.. Meanwhile I know some guys who made it to Olympic trials after 2-3 years of boxing, and one of them started at like 26 years old, so no crazy athlete background just plain hard work and dedication. And I also feel that yea, if you’ve got some BJJ black belt who has some basic striking he might be able to take on a life long Muay Thai guy with the right moves (but we all saw what happened with Cub Swanson and Kron Gracie lol).. But I feel if you have a guy who’s only done solely BJJ seriously for self defense for 2 years and a guy who’s done Muay Thai or boxing seriously for 2 years, that MT or boxing guy is going to put some work on that BJJ guy, I don’t think it’ll be much of a competition if they had to “self defense” one another..
I love them all, but I really love the art of striking and even Eddie Bravo has said it on JRE podcast that BJJ isn’t the best self defense and is even worse with multiple attackers, that boxing or kickboxing/Muay Thai is what you want if you’re defending yourself like that and that he was even going to take some kickboxing lessons to get his striking up to par.
All that said, I FINALLY found another Muay Thai gym near me that has a serious coach who really knows his stuff and trains a couple Pro MMA guys and Muay Thai/Kickboxers and he goes to Thailand all the time to train with some of the best in the world. I plan on going there once this Covid shit dies down a bit more, they have weird requirements for certain gyms and all that so once it’s better I plan on going at least 3x a week.