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My body tolerates Tren Ace very well (Enanthate was pure sides for me). My labs look perfect even when running 500mg Tren Ace per week. The only side effect that is truly life-interrupting is the Insomnia. The night-sweats don't even bother me as long as I can sleep through them! I use tren for 4-8 week bursts and losing sleep is both unhealthy and not conducive to bodybuilding goals. Therefore, with the advice and prescriptions of my doctor, I have tried several pharmaceutical solutions for sleep while on Tren that I'd like to share.
I've used:
Lunesta 3mg - helps me get to sleep, but after 4 hours I am up with difficulty remaining asleep. My sleep is not very deep with just Lunesta while on Tren.
Lunesta 3mg + Trazadone 50mg: This is a decent solution. I don't have a prescription for Trazadone but I've gotten some from a close Dr. Friend to try out. This is an option that I keep open. Trazadone has little if any withdrawal.
Lunesta 3mg + Seroquel 25mg: This was a great solution, but I'm opposed to using Seroquel except when in a bind. The drug has nasty effects on the metabolism (interferes with lypolysis, insulin sensitivity, etc) and can cause some withdrawal. 25mg is a baby dose but still...
Lunesta 3mg + Klonopin 2-3mg: This is a good solution as well. I like Klonopin as it's mild and long acting. I don't like the idea of using a benzo for too long because of the withdrawal. I didn't have any withdrawal from using it for about a month during my last Tren Ace burst though.
I also use a decent dose of:
ZMA
Tryptophan
Valarian
L-Theanine
However these are not enough on their own while using Tren to get a full, deep 8 hours of sleep that I need (at least for me). I'd ideally like to find an OTC solution that is sedating enough. The problem with sleep on Tren in my opinion has to do with CNS stimulation from the androgenic activity. This is why Seroquel works so well in cases of insomnia because it slows down the dopamine/nor-epinephrine activity in the brain - which is stimulated by Tren.
I was thinking that 5-HTP may be a good way to keep serotonin levels up while on Tren. Since the CNS is pretty active while on Tren, serotonin can be depleted. I may give this a shot.
I like the idea of using some OTC Gaba-related compounds like Phenibut. I have heard that Phenibut users get some nasty hang-over and tolerance issues. Picamilon is a niacin bound GABA that helps it cross the BBB better than free form Gaba and I've seen some decent reports of sleep-help from it online. I will likely be trying picamilon as well.
Many guys who use HGH say that a decent shot of HGH (2+iu) before bed helps reduce the tren insomnia but I don't use HGH that much as of right now.
I have a love-hate relationship with Tren because it has such amazing body-composition effects, doesn't negatively impact my labs but definitely interferes with my sleep...
Does anyone else have any success battling Tren insomnia?
I've used:
Lunesta 3mg - helps me get to sleep, but after 4 hours I am up with difficulty remaining asleep. My sleep is not very deep with just Lunesta while on Tren.
Lunesta 3mg + Trazadone 50mg: This is a decent solution. I don't have a prescription for Trazadone but I've gotten some from a close Dr. Friend to try out. This is an option that I keep open. Trazadone has little if any withdrawal.
Lunesta 3mg + Seroquel 25mg: This was a great solution, but I'm opposed to using Seroquel except when in a bind. The drug has nasty effects on the metabolism (interferes with lypolysis, insulin sensitivity, etc) and can cause some withdrawal. 25mg is a baby dose but still...
Lunesta 3mg + Klonopin 2-3mg: This is a good solution as well. I like Klonopin as it's mild and long acting. I don't like the idea of using a benzo for too long because of the withdrawal. I didn't have any withdrawal from using it for about a month during my last Tren Ace burst though.
I also use a decent dose of:
ZMA
Tryptophan
Valarian
L-Theanine
However these are not enough on their own while using Tren to get a full, deep 8 hours of sleep that I need (at least for me). I'd ideally like to find an OTC solution that is sedating enough. The problem with sleep on Tren in my opinion has to do with CNS stimulation from the androgenic activity. This is why Seroquel works so well in cases of insomnia because it slows down the dopamine/nor-epinephrine activity in the brain - which is stimulated by Tren.
I was thinking that 5-HTP may be a good way to keep serotonin levels up while on Tren. Since the CNS is pretty active while on Tren, serotonin can be depleted. I may give this a shot.
I like the idea of using some OTC Gaba-related compounds like Phenibut. I have heard that Phenibut users get some nasty hang-over and tolerance issues. Picamilon is a niacin bound GABA that helps it cross the BBB better than free form Gaba and I've seen some decent reports of sleep-help from it online. I will likely be trying picamilon as well.
Many guys who use HGH say that a decent shot of HGH (2+iu) before bed helps reduce the tren insomnia but I don't use HGH that much as of right now.
I have a love-hate relationship with Tren because it has such amazing body-composition effects, doesn't negatively impact my labs but definitely interferes with my sleep...
Does anyone else have any success battling Tren insomnia?