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I understand what your saying but Todd Lee is saying that something with an acetate ester gets in and out of your body so quick so its ideally injected 2 times a day and doing it eod is stupid(or whatever word he used). Someone making a claim like that is IMO is just wrong. Now if it were base ok I could see it. But acetate no. I could have told you this in my teenage years. I personally think he got close enough with the esters but here are more accurate numbers.It’ll never cease to amaze me how quickly people on this board just absolutely shit on others while hiding anonymously behind pseudonyms.
There are guys on this board who give out dangerous advice. They’re praised.
There are guys on this board who’ve ruined their bodies. They’re praised.
I’ve watched most of Todd’s videos. He’s arrogant, but I don’t care. I take the information he provides and use what I think is helpful.
A friend of mine from the gym hired him as a coach. He’s doing a great job. The guy had medical issues and was being mishandled by his doctors. Todd has improved his blood work, appearance, mood, energy, etc.
It would be more useful to argue the points he makes with your own stance… and with a stance beyond using logical fallacies or “it works for me bro” or “he has no muscle”.
He openly admits mistakes. He openly says not to copy what he’s doing. He does blood work.
The more you shit on these guys, the more you have to rely on dorks who’ve never even shown their physique on here… or they show you the 2 photos of themselves at peak cycle in perfect lighting.
I understand what your saying but Todd Lee is saying that something with an acetate ester gets in and out of your body so quick so its ideally injected 2 times a day and doing it eod is stupid(or whatever word he used). Someone making a claim like that is IMO is just wrong. Now if it were base ok I could see it. But acetate no. I could have told you this in my teenage years. I personally think he got close enough with the esters but here are more accurate numbers.
Trenbolone Base: 100mg
Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg
Trenbolone Enanthate: 68mg
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate: 65mg
Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate: 65mg
Now the half life on Ace is 2 to 3 days so I personally don't see how you could not get away with eod and see no reason to inject it 2 times a day. If it was the base maybe. Could you argue everyday injections with this yea sure. Not 2x daily though. Says that anything over 110 is just more sides and that doing 10mg day is "the safe" dose.
"It would be more useful to argue the points he makes with your own stance… and with a stance beyond using logical fallacies or “it works for me bro” or “he has no muscle”. I am not trying to argue with you as if you like him and use his ideas that's great but he provides"
While I think it would be more useful as well to give your own points beyond "logical fallacies" or basically "bro science". This topic honestly annoys me as this line of thinking is pretty prevalent on the board. People can make up some info arbitrarily about a topic and then think their info is right and fail to identify why they think about this and that. Then for some reason anyone who challenges this info has to prove it to that person why he is wrong. So please provide some "broscience" to state a case and then you need to find studies or some sort of empirical data to support your counterclaim on a baseless claim. Like "Tren doesn't build muscle" You could respond with well not at 10mgs a day or maybe you need a new source. Or maybe a study that it actually does.
Matt Jansen said on a podcast once about Aromasin vs Adex… that on paper, Aromasin is better, but in real life Adex appears to offer a drier outcome… I like how he understood both the science and the reality of experience, acknowledging both
Now you want bro-science and agree that this is better than the studies, totally contradicts the previous statement.
"It’ll never cease to amaze me how quickly people on this board just absolutely shit on others while hiding anonymously behind pseudonyms."
Dude you are doing this right now, You literally posted a faceless pic of yourself. Great pic BTW!! I am going to watch the first video again tonight and see if I change my mind about it. I would agree that some people have agendas not to provide approvals because someone would be right or even perceived wright. I think a lot of those people are not on here. Though yes I would agree that a hive mind sometimes shows itself on here. I think people want to stay anonymous do to a variety reasons but I would bet the majority are just out of shaped
Again I am not trying to argue with you seem like a very smart guy. If you want to discuss this and can do so without getting upset that would be great. If Ive upset you I am sorry
Yep.. I do the same.. lean on made and primo.. just enough test to not use a AI.. I do think Todd provides some gems.. I also have disagreed with him on certain things.. but I take what I want out of his videos and try and use them..He did call his previous doctor retarded, but the doctor was misdirecting my friend big time. Todd put out his video on blood letting at the same time my friend was getting therapeutic phlebotomy prescribed and feeling like death. Todd’s recommendations improved his blood work without needing the phlebotomies.
One thing I stole was the ED injects. I won’t do slin pins (don’t like to back load and don’t like to pull so slow)…. But I draw with a 21g and shoot with a 27g 1/2”. Huge difference in (lack of PIP), knots, increased injection site locations, etc.
I’ve also leaned heavily towards primo and Masteron, and haven’t used an AI (with any regularity) in 5-6 years. Found the right combination of both to keep estrogen at a certain level. Primo above a certain dose (in relation to my test dose) crushed my estrogen and my sex drive took a dive. Once I titrated down, played with different test doses, and added Mast as a SERM and anabolic, I looked and felt a lot better. My IGF score also went up. My estrogen was so low from the primo that it negatively impacted my IGF score.
Cool stuff to have figured out.
Dave has posted on here for years.. maybe since close to the start..and yes a few are with his face such as his competitive photos. So he's definitely not hiding... and he's a beast..I understand what your saying but Todd Lee is saying that something with an acetate ester gets in and out of your body so quick so its ideally injected 2 times a day and doing it eod is stupid(or whatever word he used). Someone making a claim like that is IMO is just wrong. Now if it were base ok I could see it. But acetate no. I could have told you this in my teenage years. I personally think he got close enough with the esters but here are more accurate numbers.
Trenbolone Base: 100mg
Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg
Trenbolone Enanthate: 68mg
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate: 65mg
Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate: 65mg
Now the half life on Ace is 2 to 3 days so I personally don't see how you could not get away with eod and see no reason to inject it 2 times a day. If it was the base maybe. Could you argue everyday injections with this yea sure. Not 2x daily though. Says that anything over 110 is just more sides and that doing 10mg day is "the safe" dose.
"It would be more useful to argue the points he makes with your own stance… and with a stance beyond using logical fallacies or “it works for me bro” or “he has no muscle”. I am not trying to argue with you as if you like him and use his ideas that's great but he provides"
While I think it would be more useful as well to give your own points beyond "logical fallacies" or basically "bro science". This topic honestly annoys me as this line of thinking is pretty prevalent on the board. People can make up some info arbitrarily about a topic and then think their info is right and fail to identify why they think about this and that. Then for some reason anyone who challenges this info has to prove it to that person why he is wrong. So please provide some "broscience" to state a case and then you need to find studies or some sort of empirical data to support your counterclaim on a baseless claim. Like "Tren doesn't build muscle" You could respond with well not at 10mgs a day or maybe you need a new source. Or maybe a study that it actually does.
Matt Jansen said on a podcast once about Aromasin vs Adex… that on paper, Aromasin is better, but in real life Adex appears to offer a drier outcome… I like how he understood both the science and the reality of experience, acknowledging both
Now you want bro-science and agree that this is better than the studies, totally contradicts the previous statement.
"It’ll never cease to amaze me how quickly people on this board just absolutely shit on others while hiding anonymously behind pseudonyms."
Dude you are doing this right now, You literally posted a faceless pic of yourself. Great pic BTW!! I am going to watch the first video again tonight and see if I change my mind about it. I would agree that some people have agendas not to provide approvals because someone would be right or even perceived wright. I think a lot of those people are not on here. Though yes I would agree that a hive mind sometimes shows itself on here. I think people want to stay anonymous do to a variety reasons but I would bet the majority are just out of shaped
Again I am not trying to argue with you seem like a very smart guy. If you want to discuss this and can do so without getting upset that would be great. If Ive upset you I am sorry
Also has never competed as a pro, ever (definitely a smart move on his part).
Apologies if anyones name is mentioned. Collateral damage
Dude I actually agreed with you on some things. I also disagreed with you on some things. I have absolutely no idea how you can say I am just trying to out word you when you sayYou are trying to argue. It seems as if you’re focused on trying to out word me with “got ya!” moments. You win, 100%.
I’m off the thread. These conversations are much of the reason I dont frequent this board much.
@musclehed on IG for anyone who’d like to follow. Best of luck everyone!
Yea I was surprised he would make such an absolute statement. You could tell Dave was kinda thinking what the fuck is this guy going on about lolDid he really say this? If so I don't know how he became a medical doctor. By the way whats up with this slin pin obsession lol
The problem with his statement is the black and white absolute position he takes. I don’t think anybody would dispute frequent dosing is more effective and can reduce sides but he clearly stated all sides are caused by hormonal fluctuations and if you dose multiple times a day you could take say in the 3 gram range and have no sides as the body would perceive it as homeostasis.Hes not the first person to suggest this. I have heard Palumbo and several other pros say the same thing.
I wouldnt do it though simply because I refuse to pin any more frequently than 3 times per week, regardless of compound. Maybe if I was running something like Test or Winstrol suspensions.
Re: AcetateI understand what your saying but Todd Lee is saying that something with an acetate ester gets in and out of your body so quick so its ideally injected 2 times a day and doing it eod is stupid(or whatever word he used). Someone making a claim like that is IMO is just wrong. Now if it were base ok I could see it. But acetate no. I could have told you this in my teenage years. I personally think he got close enough with the esters but here are more accurate numbers.
Trenbolone Base: 100mg
Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg
Trenbolone Enanthate: 68mg
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate: 65mg
Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate: 65mg
Now the half life on Ace is 2 to 3 days so I personally don't see how you could not get away with eod and see no reason to inject it 2 times a day. If it was the base maybe. Could you argue everyday injections with this yea sure. Not 2x daily though. Says that anything over 110 is just more sides and that doing 10mg day is "the safe" dose.
"It would be more useful to argue the points he makes with your own stance… and with a stance beyond using logical fallacies or “it works for me bro” or “he has no muscle”. I am not trying to argue with you as if you like him and use his ideas that's great but he provides"
While I think it would be more useful as well to give your own points beyond "logical fallacies" or basically "bro science". This topic honestly annoys me as this line of thinking is pretty prevalent on the board. People can make up some info arbitrarily about a topic and then think their info is right and fail to identify why they think about this and that. Then for some reason anyone who challenges this info has to prove it to that person why he is wrong. So please provide some "broscience" to state a case and then you need to find studies or some sort of empirical data to support your counterclaim on a baseless claim. Like "Tren doesn't build muscle" You could respond with well not at 10mgs a day or maybe you need a new source. Or maybe a study that it actually does.
Matt Jansen said on a podcast once about Aromasin vs Adex… that on paper, Aromasin is better, but in real life Adex appears to offer a drier outcome… I like how he understood both the science and the reality of experience, acknowledging both
Now you want bro-science and agree that this is better than the studies, totally contradicts the previous statement.
"It’ll never cease to amaze me how quickly people on this board just absolutely shit on others while hiding anonymously behind pseudonyms."
Dude you are doing this right now, You literally posted a faceless pic of yourself. Great pic BTW!! I am going to watch the first video again tonight and see if I change my mind about it. I would agree that some people have agendas not to provide approvals because someone would be right or even perceived wright. I think a lot of those people are not on here. Though yes I would agree that a hive mind sometimes shows itself on here. I think people want to stay anonymous do to a variety reasons but I would bet the majority are just out of shaped
Again I am not trying to argue with you seem like a very smart guy. If you want to discuss this and can do so without getting upset that would be great. If Ive upset you I am sorry
If you really wanna waste your time...I've heard enough of him over the years to know that I probably wouldn't have been friends with him in high school.
The questions I have are:
Why isn't he practicing medicine?
What's with The Punisher tattoo? (it's really dumb)
When will he be revealing the Turkey hair transplant bowl cut hairline?
This video is actually a lot more interesting than his tren hyperbole video that I posted, I've never been to Turkey.If you really wanna waste your time...
Sadly trueThis video is actually a lot more interesting than his tren hyperbole video that I posted, I've never been to Turkey.