16wk Cutter

[Amino_man]

~Tweak this meal plan~

Hi guys, I’m looking to do a 16wk cutting cycle. My 37th birthday is in March which is right about when my cycle should be completed. I think I have a pretty nice diet with the idea of strategically placing the fattier foods on workout days as well as, aiming the apple before the workouts and the carbs after the workout.

I have no idea on how to figure out what I have as far as my percentage of protein/fats/carbs goes but I think I have them in the correct times throughout the day. I also don’t know if this is too much food for a cutter cycle.

I weigh 220 lbs now and I’m looking to cut as much as I can in 16 wks.

I figure I will need 3000k calories per day (200x15) to cut down to 200lbs and at that time I could slowly start to lower the ounces of food per serving if I’m not seeing consistent progress.

Cardio will be 30 min before I feed at the beginning of the day and 30 min after feed #6. I will add to my cardio once I see how my body is responding to this after a few weeks with this diet plan in place.

Rest days:
Feed 1 - omelet 3eggs with tomato and ham - casein protein 100g p
Feed 2 - oat meal + PB toast + (casein 100g = BOTH) -OR- total risen bran
Feed 3 - chicken breast grilled & 1cup rice w/brussel sprouts
Feed 4 - sandwich – tuna fish and mayo/or BBQ sauce (taste like pulled pork) w/apple
Feed 5 - salmon/tilapia/orange roughy/perch/pollock, grilled w/yam w/asparagus (or) goulash/spaghetti
Feed 6 - cottage cheese
Feed 7 - casein protein 50g

Workout days:
Feed 1 - oat meal + PB toast + (casein 100g = BOTH) (or) total risen bran
Feed 2 - sandwich - turkey breast with light mayo/tomato with baby carrots
Feed 3 - meatball tennis ball size with raw oatmeal and 3 egg whites w/broccoli & 1cup rice
Feed 4 - whey protein 50g p w/applesauce
Feed 5 - whey protein 50g p
Feed 6 - salmon/tilapia/orange roughy/perch/pollock, grilled w/yam & rice w/cauliflower
Feed 7 - casein protein 100g

Supplements:
Feed 1 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / Carnitine (3g)
Feed 4 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / creatine (5g)
Feed 5 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / creatine (5g)
Feed 7 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / flaxseed oil (1200mg)

Clenbuterol will be run for the entire cycle at 40 mcg 2x per day along with L-Taurine & L-Carnitine.

Cardio ~
30 min 2x ED

16 wk Cycle & PCT
T-Prop - 700mg
Nolva - 20mg 2x ED wk2-16
Tren Ace – 400mg
Miraplex 5mg & Armidex .25mg ED
HCG 5000 IU - wk4 EOW to wk2 of PCT = 6 vials
Clomid 50mg ED



Is this too much food to lose weight on? Is it more of a bulk diet or can I run this as long as I weigh everything less than 6oz’s per food group?

Any other ideas are welcome!!

 

[Quad-smack]

Hire Phil Hernon - the best money you will ever spend on yourself...

 

[Amino_man]

It's too close to Christmas for me to have money like that to spend right now. Can anyone else help a brother count a few calories and see if I have too many?

Or maybe show me how to do it....

 

[puritan]

Too many protein and too many powders.

 

[kscowboy]

I am not an expert by any means but i would say you should hire one. But i know how money is at this time of year and some just cant afford it (Trying to get mine in order so i can hire Shelby back at the first of the year). ANyway, it looks like you have too much powder, your meals are too big and you have a ton of carbs. Depending on how carb sensitive you are but if i ate that many carbs on a cutter, i wouldnt loose a pound. Good luck bro.

 

[pesty4077]

~Tweak this meal plan~

Hi guys, I’m looking to do a 16wk cutting cycle. My 37th birthday is in March which is right about when my cycle should be completed. I think I have a pretty nice diet with the idea of strategically placing the fattier foods on workout days as well as, aiming the apple before the workouts and the carbs after the workout.

I have no idea on how to figure out what I have as far as my percentage of protein/fats/carbs goes but I think I have them in the correct times throughout the day. I also don’t know if this is too much food for a cutter cycle.

I weigh 220 lbs now and I’m looking to cut as much as I can in 16 wks.

I figure I will need 3000k calories per day (200x15) to cut down to 200lbs and at that time I could slowly start to lower the ounces of food per serving if I’m not seeing consistent progress.

Cardio will be 30 min before I feed at the beginning of the day and 30 min after feed #6. I will add to my cardio once I see how my body is responding to this after a few weeks with this diet plan in place.

Rest days:
Feed 1 - omelet 3eggs (10 egg whites) with tomato and ham - casein protein (whey instead) add oatmenal
Feed 2 - oat meal + PB toast + (casein 100g = BOTH) -OR- total risen bran( NO!!) (chicken breast and rice, vegtable)
Feed 3 - chicken breast grilled & 1cup rice w/brussel sprouts
Feed 4 - sandwich – tuna fish and mayo/or BBQ sauce (taste like pulled pork) w/apple (8 oz lean steak, rice, vegtable)
Feed 5 - salmon/tilapia/orange roughy/perch/pollock, grilled w/yam w/asparagus (or) goulash/spaghetti ( NO!!
Feed 6 - cottage cheese (yuk! 1 oz almonds)
Feed 7 - casein protein 50g

No need to change)

Workout days:
Feed 1 - oat meal + PB toast + (casein 100g = BOTH) (or) total risen bran
Feed 2 - sandwich - turkey breast with light mayo/tomato with baby carrots
Feed 3 - meatball tennis ball size with raw oatmeal and 3 egg whites w/broccoli & 1cup rice
Feed 4 - whey protein 50g p w/applesauce
Feed 5 - whey protein 50g p
Feed 6 - salmon/tilapia/orange roughy/perch/pollock, grilled w/yam & rice w/cauliflower
Feed 7 - casein protein 100g
I really don't see much of a difference then top
Supplements:
Feed 1 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / Carnitine (3g)
Feed 4 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / creatine (5g)
Feed 5 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / creatine (5g)
Feed 7 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / flaxseed oil (1200mg)
take these before and after work outs

Clenbuterol will be run for the entire cycle at 40 mcg 2x per day along with L-Taurine & L-Carnitine.

Cardio ~
30 min 2x ED

16 wk Cycle & PCT
T-Prop - 700mg
Nolva - 20mg 2x ED wk2-16
Tren Ace – 400mg
Miraplex 5mg & Armidex .25mg ED
HCG 5000 IU - wk4 EOW to wk2 of PCT = 6 vials
Clomid 50mg ED



Is this too much food to lose weight on? Is it more of a bulk diet or can I run this as long as I weigh everything less than 6oz’s per food group?

Any other ideas are welcome!!

Here lies the problem, with out stats and knowing a background on you for a little while, nobody can answer that question. That is why these guys say to hire an experienced trainer. It costs about $250-$500, depending on who your hiring. You have money for gear, but really don't know all the answers, what is a better investment?

 

[skulbone]

I have no idea on how to figure out what I have as far as my percentage of protein/fats/carbs goes but I think I have them in the correct times throughout the day. I also don’t know if this is too much food for a cutter cycle.

Clenbuterol will be run for the entire cycle at 40 mcg 2x per day along with L-Taurine & L-Carnitine.

Any other ideas are welcome!!

#1. Try using Fitday.com for logging your macros.
#2. You need to find out your daily needs before you try this while "on"
#3. Clen will only work for around 3-4wks (without upregulating your receptors)
Or 6wks if you do upregulate them. For 16wks I'd run it 4wks on/off then.

 

[kscowboy]

Yeah bro Clen should NOT be ran for 16 weeks!!!!!

 

[Amino_man]

#1. Try using Fitday.com for logging your macros.
#2. You need to find out your daily needs before you try this while "on"
#3. Clen will only work for around 3-4wks (without upregulating your receptors)
Or 6wks if you do upregulate them. For 16wks I'd run it 4wks on/off then.

A few days of Benidryl works good for that correct?

 

[skulbone]

It must be taken every day your on Clen for it to work best.

 

[Amino_man]

Yeah bro Clen should NOT be ran for 16 weeks!!!!!

IDK if you need this info or not but if your going to "help someone" you might want to know what some trainers are suggesting now a days.

How long can clen be run safely? 2 weeks on 2 weeks off protocol - RX Muscle Forums

 

[kscowboy]

Hey bro i dont need to know what OTHER TRAINERS ARE RECOMMENDING i am speaking from experience!!!! You have experience with clen???? You can tell me that running it for 16 weeks straight is safe????????

 

[kscowboy]

Plus that link you posted talks about a 2 week on 2 week off protocol, NOT A STRAIGHT 16 WEEKS. But hey you know it all so go ahead and run 80 MCG a day for 16 weeks with no break!! Let us know how that goes!!!

 

[Jacked09]

this might help you out a little

running clen for that long can destroy your heart bro i would strongly suggest running it for a max of 2 weeks and then take a week or 2 off then run it again and 2 tabs of 40mcg is alot insane if you ask me i suggest you clean up your diet a little for and take half a tab a day thats all you should need with clen and your other gear looks alright.
and the 100g of casein is way to much you will just shit and piss it out 40 to 50g twice a day is all you should need i suggest pre workout and before bed

 

[kscowboy]

Seems like he is asking for help here Jacked but obviously he knows it all. 80 mcg/day for 16 weeks in his opinion is RECOMMENDED BY THE TOP TRAINERS!!

 

[Amino_man]

Seems like he is asking for help here Jacked but obviously he knows it all. 80 mcg/day for 16 weeks in his opinion is RECOMMENDED BY THE TOP TRAINERS!!

Look Cowboy, you don't have to have a hissy fit just cuz I have a few posts on THIS forum. I have demonstrated some type of respect to everyone I have chatted with if you go back and look at the few posts I do have here so there is no need to have an attitude when I post a little helpful info which I found on another forum.

You're sounding like you're the type of person where no one can tell you anything about anything if they come to you first. I on the other hand keep a very open mind toward everything in my life and if a "new guy" comes up to me at work and wants to correct me or educate me on something I'm not the type who take offense to that and I feel you could learn something here tonight along the same lines.

I was merely pointing out, on a forum where many top IFBB pro athletes are Mods, have said about the usage of Clen.

I was not saying that I though you were a knuckle-head for saying what you said.

I posted this in the "Beginner forum" because I have very few posts and I was showing respect to the Mods. you should never judge a book by its cover.

If you want to know more about my experience please feel free to test my wits, or just simply ask me...

 

[kscowboy]

No bro im not slamming you by any means. I am very straight forward and maybe too straight forward for some. But when you asked your original question and i gave you what i thought was sound advise for that question, you tell me that i should take note as to what other trainers are saying if i want to help. There are tons of newbees on here that ask the exact same type of question that you posted without doing any research at all. Go back and reread what your first reply to me was and tell me you wouldnt take it as a "Know it all" reply. Im not picking a fight here (Have too much of that in my personal life).

 

[juicy j]

Here's my 2 cents....

1) The only protein powder you should take is pwo and before bed. I like up your mass pwo and either mhp probolic before bed or ON casein before bed.

2) You do not eat mayo, bbq sauce, dairy, junk, pasta, bread, etc. Those are no no's even for me when I am bulking.

3) Do not cook with oil and limit your fats...use just a bit of pam if you have to otherwise use a foreman grilll to cook your food

4) 30g or no boosters is rediculous...I mean rediculous. Take 5g in the morning on an empty stomach and take the other 5g pre workout, no need to take more than 10g a day and I am 246lbs. You should take 30g glutamine a day, split it evenly apart if you can and take 5g bcaa in between every meal and 4 beef liver tabs with every meal and eat this....

5g arganine
1) 1 cup egg whites and 3/4 cup oatmeal, 4 bl tabs, 10g glutamine
5g BCAA
2) 6oz chicken, 6oz, red potatoes, 1 cup green beans, 4bl tabs
5g BCAA
preworkout shake, 5g BCAA, 10g glutamine, 5g arganine, I like shock therapy and 9g EAA
3) pwo shake, up your mass, MHP
5g BCAA
4) 6oz tilapia or orange roughy, 1 cup quinoa or brown rice, 1 cup broccoli, 4 bl tabs
5g BCAA
5) 6oz turkey breast, 6oz red potato, large spinach salad 1tbs fat free italian dressing, 4 bl tabs
5g BCAA
6) 6oz extra lean ground beef 96/4, 4oz sweet potato, 1 cup green beans
5g BCAA
7) casein, 2 scoops, 5g BCAA, 10g glutamine

Drink at least a gallon of water a day...you should be golden but adjust the carbs as the protein is pretty high, just guessing this is about 300g a day, take less carbs on your off days and again, you should be good. I have no idea your bf so this is just a rough guess of what you need, you may need les protein also.

 

[Fireman]

looking good

~Tweak this meal plan~

Hi guys, I’m looking to do a 16wk cutting cycle. My 37th birthday is in March which is right about when my cycle should be completed. I think I have a pretty nice diet with the idea of strategically placing the fattier foods on workout days as well as, aiming the apple before the workouts and the carbs after the workout.

I have no idea on how to figure out what I have as far as my percentage of protein/fats/carbs goes but I think I have them in the correct times throughout the day. I also don’t know if this is too much food for a cutter cycle.

I weigh 220 lbs now and I’m looking to cut as much as I can in 16 wks.

I figure I will need 3000k calories per day (200x15) to cut down to 200lbs and at that time I could slowly start to lower the ounces of food per serving if I’m not seeing consistent progress.

Cardio will be 30 min before I feed at the beginning of the day and 30 min after feed #6. I will add to my cardio once I see how my body is responding to this after a few weeks with this diet plan in place.

Rest days:
Feed 1 - omelet 3eggs with tomato and ham - casein protein 100g p
Feed 2 - oat meal + PB toast + (casein 100g = BOTH) -OR- total risen bran
Feed 3 - chicken breast grilled & 1cup rice w/brussel sprouts
Feed 4 - sandwich – tuna fish and mayo/or BBQ sauce (taste like pulled pork) w/apple
Feed 5 - salmon/tilapia/orange roughy/perch/pollock, grilled w/yam w/asparagus (or) goulash/spaghetti
Feed 6 - cottage cheese
Feed 7 - casein protein 50g

Workout days:
Feed 1 - oat meal + PB toast + (casein 100g = BOTH) (or) total risen bran
Feed 2 - sandwich - turkey breast with light mayo/tomato with baby carrots
Feed 3 - meatball tennis ball size with raw oatmeal and 3 egg whites w/broccoli & 1cup rice
Feed 4 - whey protein 50g p w/applesauce
Feed 5 - whey protein 50g p
Feed 6 - salmon/tilapia/orange roughy/perch/pollock, grilled w/yam & rice w/cauliflower
Feed 7 - casein protein 100g

Supplements:
Feed 1 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / Carnitine (3g)
Feed 4 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / creatine (5g)
Feed 5 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / creatine (5g)
Feed 7 = BCAA (10g) / glutamine (10g) / nitric-oxide booster (10g) / flaxseed oil (1200mg)

Clenbuterol will be run for the entire cycle at 40 mcg 2x per day along with L-Taurine & L-Carnitine.

Cardio ~
30 min 2x ED

16 wk Cycle & PCT
T-Prop - 700mg
Nolva - 20mg 2x ED wk2-16
Tren Ace – 400mg
Miraplex 5mg & Armidex .25mg ED
HCG 5000 IU - wk4 EOW to wk2 of PCT = 6 vials
Clomid 50mg ED



Is this too much food to lose weight on? Is it more of a bulk diet or can I run this as long as I weigh everything less than 6oz’s per food group?

Any other ideas are welcome!!

I would personally just throw to it some cytomel at 100mcg-150mcg per day during all cycle(but keep with the clenbuterol after cycle for at least 4 weeks to avoid rebound) and some anavar at 50 mg ED for the first 8 weeks and some winstrol at 25 mg EOD(it could be 50 mg EOD if your joints can handle it) for the last 8 weeks, but if you have the money forget the winstrol and add instead masteron for the last 8 or 6 weeks.

Considering you gonna be on gear for 16 weeks and you are taking arimidex, i would throw some equipoise at 500mg per week, you may want to switch the proprionate for the long version enanthate(you gonna save a lot of pins and pain on the butt) and later 3 weeks to finish the cycle bring the proprionate again at half of the dose and quit the enanthate.


This works for me nicely...

 

[Fireman]

A few days of Benidryl works good for that correct?

very much 1 week using benadryl every 4 weeks