Blood Test?

Armageddon · May 18, 2004

I know that they are important, this I realize. But what if I can't get to the doc for quit sometime. He's across the state and generally has to work to slide me in. I was thinking that I would just get started and drop in, in a few weeks. I'm not going to be going crazy to start or even at all. Unless there is something naturally wrong with me I know it's not from something else. Cause there is no drug use, hardly drink, and previous use is several years ago. I think my chances are alright. If I make it to him a few weeks will he beable to make an accurate assessment of what's normal for me since I already started or does he need a base line to go from? Thanks

xcelbeyond · May 19, 2004

I say don't analyze it - if you feel you need a blood test, get one.

Say when you're completely clean - that's your baseline. You could have something wrong when you're clean that gear may only aggrevate or not affect it at all.

The question you should be asking is do I have any problems or not.

xcel

Armageddon · May 19, 2004

That's just it, I don't. I'm probably the healthiest or one of the healthiest people in my family or that I even know. But there is a long line of heart disease and cancer in my family. Not that I think there is anything that can harm my heart from this. I don't even really believe that is will activate any already previous cells within my body. I just want to be the healthiest individual that I can while being big and sickly strong. LOL I think I should be fine, but thanks for the thoughts Xcel.

ozzyoil · May 19, 2004

yes I have sickness in my line. it's a bummer but dems`de brakes huh.

I always heard it 'skips a generation"

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xcelbeyond · May 19, 2004

I'm also trouble free and until just recently, thought no heart disease ran in my family. That is until this last winter when my dad got a double bypass and valve in his heart!

xcel

prot · May 21, 2004

I just think blood tests are a waste

unless you believe something is really wrong already. Cholesterol tests really show nothing as it is not a causative agent of heart disease but an "associated' risk. If you intend doing the cycle anyway than having a "test" test is useless except tp perhaps chart recovery much later. Liver tests are bunk unless they show damage already as intense exercise elevates some anyway, creatinine kinase for example. Steroids are much safer than most OTC drugs, tobacco, alcohol, etc so why blame them for health problems? Testosterone may actually improve heart health and brain dfunction..at least in the deficient. Lipid profiles change but its temporary and you just need to watch your supplements, as you always should anyway.

Most people get blood tests and then say "now what?" because they cant interpret them or they panic over any abnormalcy. Doctors will try to discourage steroid usage and will exaggerate problems or outright misinform.

curious · May 21, 2004

Not to be an ASS, but why do you know your so healthy? There are many silent killers out there, that even the healthiest of healthly die from on a regular basis. I am becoming a Dr and haven't figured out that mentality, I am not going to be the Dr that treats just diseased patients, but the preventive health care Dr. I believe you are healthy, but would advise a yearly physical, and not at the conveince of your Dr, but on the basis of living a healthy life.

prot · May 22, 2004

I don't want to be critical but

curious said:
Not to be an ASS, but why do you know your so healthy? There are many silent killers out there, that even the healthiest of healthly die from on a regular basis. I am becoming a Dr and haven't figured out that mentality, I am not going to be the Dr that treats just diseased patients, but the preventive health care Dr. I believe you are healthy, but would advise a yearly physical, and not at the conveince of your Dr, but on the basis of living a healthy life.

There are so many spelling and syntax errors in this quote I hope you never write a prescription for me.

md2b · May 22, 2004

Re: I don't want to be critical but

prot said:
There are so many spelling and syntax errors in this quote I hope you never write a prescription for me.

English may not be his first language. Also, not many people take the time to spell check posts.

To be technical, cholesterol can cause heart disease. Inborn errors of cholesterol metabolism can lead to death by myocardial infarction (heart attack) prior to the age of 20. I do agree, cholesterol in MOST cases is not all it's cracked up to be, but it does serve as a surrogate marker for possible problems.

As far as most doctors "misinforming" patients about AAS, for many, it's due to what is taught in pharmacology classes. They're presenting the information that they were taught, which is not always correct or may have changed. Medicine is a dynamic field, what was thought factual 20 years ago might prove to be completely incorrect by new techniques or research.

curious · May 22, 2004

No worries, I am not an english major, yes unfortunately it is my native language, and NO I did not check for spelling errors. My concern is the health of the individual, plain and simple. Writng a script consist of short hand, so don't get to disgruntled in the fact that I can't spell, and do not posses the best writing style or one that fits you.

prot · May 22, 2004

sorry Curious

I just get bugged at misspelling and such when I post and I often judge someone else on this.

My main bugaboo is blood tests for cholesterol , etc. I have known one person who died of heart attack and had high cholesterol because of a genetic predisposition. He faithfully took medication and exercised. He did NOT use steroids. I believe his diet and genetics were at fault. He was of Scotttish background and I have known others of this nationality who also suffered from heart disease early.

For most healthy people the cholesterol screening is irrelevant as NO causative link has been found between high cholesterol and heart attack or stroke. In fact medical guidelines suggest testing of people 75+ is not warranted. The reason is that at this age those with higher cholesterol survive the longest. I have an aunt in her late 80s who has had a total cholesterol over 400 for many years..and she smokes.

Most authorities now believe heart disease is related to inflammation and there are several marker tests which indicate this. These markers are more indicative of impending infarction than cholesterol testing. In fact the "normal" cholesterol used to be up to 225 total but was lowered to 200 whebn most heart attacks occurred in people with "normal" cholesterol. The medical community tried to make the science fit the reality.

I personally lowered my cholesterol total from 267 to 181 by following a high meat, high fat diet. I ate lots of eggs, bacon, steak, etc and watched my cholesterol fall. Try to find a doctor advocating this....other than Dr. Atkins. All this is to reiterate the lack of validity of medical interpretation of blood tests by most medical professionals. Try to find literature associating premature death from steroid usage alone.

Armageddon · May 24, 2004

Why do I consider myself to be healthy. I don't smoke, don't hardly drink (less than 6 times a year if that), don't go around individuals or places that have smoke, don't do recreational drugs. Workout on a pretty consistant basis, eat a generally healthy diet. I don't take massive amounts of supplements, have done any "supplements" in over 3 years. I partake in quit a bit of cardio vascular activity. Even being at my most out of shape I can still run a 6 minute mile at over 220 lbs.
My thing about the blood test was precautionary at best. I don't think theirs anything wrong with me. But cancer and heart disease run in my family. Granted most of them all smoked and conssumed more caffinated products than the average person. It was just something so I could look back and say that it wasn't caused by something that I may have put into my body. But that I guess I would really never know.
I wasn't having a "doctor" do my blood tests. I was having an HRT specialist that I know do it. He wasn't doing it to prescribe anything, he was doing it as a favor cause he knows hoe "doctors" can be about things of this nature. For most things I diagnose myself, treat myself, and follow my own regimen. If I'm not too sick to where I can't walk then I'm fine. I don't have faith in too many "doctors"

zephyr22 · May 24, 2004

Medicine and doctors>>>>>

Im an RN. Been working as an RN in ICU, Rehab, Psychiatric, and medical surgican units for about 5.5 years now. I know many Docs very well. Most docs are just too damn overloaded with patients etc... to get a real good answer from them. Some doctors are of the school of thought "you messed with your system with hormonal drugs, now you deal with it." However if you speak with one who has had pateints who "used" steroids youll have a much easier time. Always remember your Doc is there for you, to help you with your health. And a quick note to the up and coming doctor in this thread dont listen too that shit about mispelling etc... I work with many docs cant spell for shit thats why they spell check on there palm pilots etc.. it is no way lack of intelligence in Medicine. I hope you stick with it.

curious · May 24, 2004

By all means I will stick with it graduate next December 05, to far along to quit even if I woke up one day and hated it. Opinions are like elbows everyone has two. I have learned that when it comes to health everyone has a different preception on what that means. Some think it is no symptoms, so disease free, while others think few scripts so they are healthy. I take it as being well balanced, disease free, symptom free and many more attributes to waste y'alls time by listing.