Clomid cycle for gains, not PCT?

[GoneForever]

So, i've always wondered this. What if a natural guy wanted to use something that wouldnt shut him down and is very mild and didnt wanna use AAS. Doestn clomid/nolvadex raise natural test levels through the roof. Would they benefit off a 3month clomid/nolva cycle? No worries about recovery?

 

[hiddenbelow]

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[Moen]

This is not as stupid as it sounds imo

For one reason or another I always look best in my pct when off steroids and on nolvadex only so?

 

[HELLA SWOLE]

I am curious to this as well. I know of some people who have had test levels elevated inthe very upper end of normal and even higher while on clomid.

 

[aesop]

You would get better results using an AI only

 

[Massive G]

So, i've always wondered this. What if a natural guy wanted to use something that wouldnt shut him down and is very mild and didnt wanna use AAS. Doestn clomid/nolvadex raise natural test levels through the roof. Would they benefit off a 3month clomid/nolva cycle? No worries about recovery?

Clomid use will raise testosterone levels very well-making it a decent ergogenic aid.
I am not gonna comment on suppression though as I am unsure on how the HPTA reacts to clomid only or nolva.

 

[hiddenbelow]

They both lower IGF levels so I think it would be a battle that I would not like to partake in.

DW

 

[Tom]

adex

i have heard of using adex at .5 or even.25 every third day to raise test levels and increase libido. not sure what this would do to body composition but might harden you up a bit.

 

[Moen]

Try it and let us know fourthgen, it's probably cheaper than 'novedex xt' anyway so

 

[GoneForever]

Try it and let us know fourthgen, it's probably cheaper than 'novedex xt' anyway so

lol ive been juicing for years. Not gonna affect me. I figure a natty guy who hasnt used PH's or anything could give it a try.

 

[KillerStack]

i have heard of using adex at .5 or even.25 every third day to raise test levels and increase libido. not sure what this would do to body composition but might harden you up a bit.

Might work for some but if estrogen is too low libido takes a dump. As far as body composition it doesn't increase LBM; there are studies looking at this specifically.

 

[KillerStack]

So, i've always wondered this. What if a natural guy wanted to use something that wouldnt shut him down and is very mild and didnt wanna use AAS. Doestn clomid/nolvadex raise natural test levels through the roof. Would they benefit off a 3month clomid/nolva cycle? No worries about recovery?

Haven't tried it but if I were to do it I would take only 5 or 10mg of Nolva or 25mg of Clomid at the most. These dosages have been shown to be effective at raising test.

 

[IronGladiator]

Very interesting thought if anyone who is chemically advanced with good knowledge of aas drop some comments on this post and inform us all if this is a good idea or just a waste of time and if its a good idea how should everyone go about it dosage and is anything else needed with it

 

[Brute Force]

I've read articles claiming that a short cycle of letro is effective for people with no history of AAS. 2.5mg every other day should be effective at raising test levels. Also, by taking it EOD, you should still have some circulating estrogen.

There is also the nolva/finasteride stack that some have claimed to work well.

 

[sponsor4huge]

I met a ex-world strongest man at the gym visiting from Georgia the other week.

He told me he was a fan of HCG/Clomid cycles because they both raise your natural test levels and neither would show up on drug tests.

He said he runs 3 weeks of HCG followed by 3 weeks of Clomids.

Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

 

[aesop]

They test WSM? that's news to me! no way marius is using hcg/clomid

I met a ex-world strongest man at the gym visiting from Georgia the other week.

He told me he was a fan of HCG/Clomid cycles because they both raise your natural test levels and neither would show up on drug tests.

He said he runs 3 weeks of HCG followed by 3 weeks of Clomids.

Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

 

[GoneForever]

They test WSM? that's news to me! no way marius is using hcg/clomid

I agree. No way any of those guys don't use drol. Even the ones at like %35+ b/f use shit.

 

[Swifto]

SERM's raise T by inhibtiing estrogen in the Hypothalamus. This, in theory, can also be done when not cycling androgens. Although, I think, an AI would be better suited.

I know of a few AS user's who use AI's (low dose) inbetween cycling to raise T.

I'd go with Aromaisn 12.5mg/EOD or Arimidex 0.5mg/E2D and get BW done. See how you get on.

Leto could also be used but may lower labido, increase the chances of injury and aggrivate any joint mobility problems one may have, due to it lowering estorgen to effectively.

I believe Vitor, one of your Mods uses AI's (Letro) when "off" androgens.

 

[Mr_Magoo]

an anti-estrogen like adex, femara or aromasin can be used well in the off cycle to modarately increase test levels or at least change the ratio of test/estrogen which is favorable to better body composition

 

[KillerStack]

They test WSM? that's news to me! no way marius is using hcg/clomid

Pudz lost one of his titles due to failing the drug test. I don't know which drug, heard something about cocaine but don't know for sure.