Cost of TRT without insurance

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what is some of yalls going rates of getting prisribed trt, and do you have mandotory testing witht that and how oiften? would it be cheaper to obtain insurance or pay it your self, what the doese ranging from what docs will give a week? 200 sounds like generosity?

 

[SacToSD]

what is some of yalls going rates of getting prisribed trt, and do you have mandotory testing witht that and how oiften? would it be cheaper to obtain insurance or pay it your self, what the doese ranging from what docs will give a week? 200 sounds like generosity?

I just started with a good company called "*" run out of florida. The initial bloodwork is 200, the doctor consultation is 80, and the shipping/handling+script fee is 30. Then you have the cost of meds, which is around 100 bucks/bottle test enanthate. Right now I'm prescribed 200 mgs/week of test propionate, and my levels were on the low side to begin with. Don't really have mandatory testing, but it's a good idea to get it done to see how you're doing.

 

[dragonfire101]

I just started with a good company called "*" run out of florida (they take out of state clients w/out a face-to-face). The initial bloodwork is 200, the doctor consultation is 80, and the shipping/handling+script fee is 30. Then you have the cost of meds, which is around 100 bucks/bottle test enanthate. Right now I'm prescribed 200 mgs/week of test propionate, and my levels were on the low side to begin with. Don't really have mandatory testing, but it's a good idea to get it done to see how you're doing. If you're interested in these guys, and believe me, they're good guys, pm me and I'll talk to my contact there and get you set up.

I know who they are. They have to do some type of face to face. Either with a doctor in your state and he sends the information to them and some do webcam consults, which is maybe legal in some places(questionable)

Its illegal if they don't.

 

[SacToSD]

I know who they are. They have to do some type of face to face. Either with a doctor in your state and he sends the information to them and some do webcam consults, which is maybe legal in some places(questionable)

Its illegal if they don't.

No it's not. In Florida, the state law doesn't require a face to face evaluation/consultation. That's why they can take out of state clients in Florida, and not in other states (like California, Michigan, Illinois, etc). State law vs. federal law vs. the real law is always tricky. The only thing that is required by * is blood work, and a talk w/ a doctor over the phone. Check out the huge # of HRT businesses in Florida, and you'll see why. Some labs do require a face to face, but that's not required by the law. * is legit.

 

[dragonfire101]

No it's not. In Florida, the state law doesn't require a face to face evaluation/consultation. That's why they can take out of state clients in Florida, and not in other states (like California, Michigan, Illinois, etc). State law vs. federal law vs. the real law is always tricky. The only thing that is required by * is blood work, and a talk w/ a doctor over the phone. Check out the huge # of HRT businesses in Florida, and you'll see why. Some labs do require a face to face, but that's not required by the law. Spectrum is legit.

Bro that's why that whole signature pharmacy thing went down.

I know * is somewhat legit I spoke with them before and they require a face to face if you live outside the state via a physician or you can go to or webcan conference. HRT might not be breaking the law in their state FL , but you are out of state and the HRT clinic are in the other states if there not providing some type of face to face. Alot of those HRT Clinics in FL were prosecuted in NY.


Where is Rick Collins when you need him. I'm sure he knows the answer.

 

[SacToSD]

Bro that's why that whole signature pharmacy thing went down.

I know spectrum is somewhat legit I spoke with them before and they require a face to face if you live outside the state via a physician or you can go to or webcan conference. HRT might not be breaking the law in their state FL , but you are out of state and the HRT clinic are in the other states if there not providing some type of face to face. Alot of those HRT Clinics in FL were prosecuted in NY.

Yeah, I remember talking to * about that. They said that if you live in New York a face to face is required because of the state law. If you do live in New York, they can arrange to have a meetup w/ a doctor in the area. But if you don't live in New York, then they can do out of states w/ no face to face. I'm not trying to contradict you here, it's just what I was told, and how it's been, for me. I can see this thread getting a little dangerous if there is any illegal activity going on here between me and the lab, and I'll delete my posts if it is. But bro, I don't think it is illegal to not have a face to face in Florida when you live in California. State law is tricky. What state do you live in? And, I wish Rick did post on here, he's a good guy.

 

[dragonfire101]

Yeah, I remember talking to * about that. They said that if you live in New York a face to face is required because of the state law. If you do live in New York, they can arrange to have a meetup w/ a doctor in the area. But if you don't live in New York, then they can do out of states w/ no face to face. I'm not trying to contradict you here, it's just what I was told, and how it's been, for me. I can see this thread getting a little dangerous if there is any illegal activity, and I'll delete my posts if it is. But bro, I don't think it is illegal to not have a face to face in Florida when you live in California. State law is tricky. What state do you live in? And, I wish Rick did post on here, he's a good guy.

Be careful and double check your laws. Remember this, Go to bottom of page:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3096834

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[SacToSD]

Be careful and double check your laws. Remember this, Go to bottom of page:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3096834

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another article

Hmm, I'm going to edit my posts a bit

 

[SacToSD]

Be careful and double check your laws. Remember this, Go to bottom of page:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3096834

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another article

Hmm, very interesting. 30 million in profits for one of the pharmacies, that's a lot. All I know is that I had a blood test and had low testosterone. I don't think they're going to book me with A-rod down at the substation any time soon, lol. I do feel privileged to be lumped into the same class as pro mlb players, dirty cops, and heavyweight contenders, though. lol

 

[dragonfire101]

Found this on another board posted:

Here is the law of the land straight from RICK COLLINS' desk: It is against the law to use anabolics or HGH for anti-aging or muscle building purposes even if a script is written for you. You must have a condition such as AIDS or a burn victim, etc. Here we go. This is boring but you all need to be aware that using HGH for antiaging purposes in a healthy person is illegal.

"Legitimate Medical Purpose"
Under federal regulation, a controlled susbstance can only be prescribed or dispensed for a "legitimate medical purpose in the ususal course of professional practice and therefore a prescription that is written for an illegitimate purpose, or outside of the usual of practice is NOT a valid prescription. Laws specifically states that bodybuliding, muscle enhancement or increasing muscle bulk or strength in an other wise HEALTHY person is an invalid medical reason and therefor it is a criminal offense for physician to prescribe HGH for such purposes. HGH cannot be distributed for a purpose "other than the treatment of a disease or other medical condition" Hormonal therapy simply to make a healthy man or woman bigger, stronger or leaner (cosmetic or athletic purposes) is a violation of the law and of current-day medical ethics.

But what about adults perhaps in their 30s or 40s, who might be fairly healthy or even athletic, but who have low-normal levels and or the beginning symptoms of age related disease? Can such patients be legally and ethically administered testosterone and HGH to enhance their health? The answer, OF COURSE, IS YES, (here is the catch) as long as there is evidence of a deficiency or some component of disease that is being legitimately treated or some other valid medical purpose. It has been suggested that practitioners should keep should keep published research available in their offices supporting their prescribing practices and to follow established protocol- just in case of an investigation. And it is vital to remember that the administration of androgens or HGH CANNOT be exclusively or even primarily for the purpose of muscle buliding/anti-aging.

Sorry guys/women I don't write the laws for more information see the: The American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists has published clinical practice guidelines for evaluation and treatment of hypogonadism, sexual function and HGH deficiency. These are available at:

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All the charges in the Signature Pharmacy case "Operation which Doctor" that you are refering too were dropped. It appears it must be legal or they would be kciking in the door all over Florida and they are not.

A New York state judge dismissed indictments Thursday against five people at the center of a multi-state investigation into the distribution of performance-enhancing drugs that ensnared several professional athletes.

Albany County Judge Stephen Herrick rapped county prosecutors for their handling of "the complex and unwieldy case" against Orlando-based Signature Pharmacy.

Herrick wrote that prosecutors gave such incomplete information and insufficient instructions to grand jurors that they "have impaired the integrity of the grand jury proceedings to such a degree that a dismissal is warranted."

Herrick added that the charges — presented to two different grand juries a total of four times — were not well defined. The defendants faced a combined 31 felony and two misdemeanor counts.

The ruling prevents Albany County District Attorney David Soares from seeking new charges against the husband-wife owners of Signature, Stan and Naomi Loomis, pharmacist Michael Loomis and associates Kirk Calvert and Anthony Palladino.

"The game's over," says Amy Tingley, the lawyer for Signature Pharmacy. "My clients are relieved that they can put this behind them and move on with their lives. After 20 months, (prosecutors) failed to put up a case that could even proceed to trial. We were always confident that we could prevail once it got to a jury, but the judge found there weren't even grounds to continue the case."

Since January 2007, Soares' office has indicted 22 people linked to nine pharmacies or so-called wellness centers, most based in Florida. Seventeen have pleaded guilty, including Anthony Forgione, whose plea deal on three felony counts of distributing a controlled substance was accepted Thursday. Charges against two defendants, Steven and Karen Lampert of Nanuet, N.Y., were dropped in November 2007.

Thursday's decision has no effect on those who have taken pleas.

"We have received the decision issued by Judge Herrick this morning regarding the five Signature defendants," Soares said in a statement. "We do not agree and are appealing this decision."

Rodney Harrison, a safety for the NFL's New England Patriots, was suspended by the league for four games last season for violating its policy on banned substances. He purchased human growth hormone (HGH) from a wellness center in Florida connected to the investigation, Chris Baynes, an Albany County assistant district attorney told The Boston Globe last year.

Dallas Cowboys assistant coach Wade Wilson was suspended for five games and fined $100,000 by the NFL after it learned through the investigation that Wilson, while a member of the Chicago Bears' staff, had purchased a banned substance from a company that later was targeted.

Soares and members of his office also met with investigators for former Sen. George Mitchell, who was tapped by Major League Baseball to investigate performance-enhancing drug use in that sport.

Last December's Mitchell Report alleged St. Louis Cardinals outfielder Rick Ankiel, Cleveland Indians pitcher Paul Byrd and former major leaguers Jay Gibbons and Jason Grimsley received shipments of HGH from Signature. The report also said New York Mets reliever Scott Schoeneweis and St. Louis Cardinals third baseman Troy Glaus received shipments of steroids.

None of the players were punished by Major League Baseball.

Tingley says Soares, who is running for another four-year term this November, has been "going after what's going to get the most publicity."

Soares said in his statement Thursday his office, with cooperation from authorities in New York and Florida, has "been able to disrupt a multimillion-dollar criminal enterprise trafficking illegal steroids to thousands of people across the country."

 

[SacToSD]

All the charges in the Signature Pharmacy case "Operation which Doctor" that you are refering too were dropped. It appears it must be legal or they would be kciking in the door all over Florida and they are not.

Nice post, bro. This is great news! I was hoping that something like this would happen. Lawyers for the labs/clinics (who also underwrote all the agreements, contractual info, prescribing info, disclaimers, etc) would have a field day picking apart the prosecutors, in my opinion. It seems like they were able to do just that. And, there is ALWAYS prerequisite blood work involved. This would invalidate claims that steroids were prescribed illegally. I hope you're right, because there are a lot of people who need medical help out there. It's such a bitch when they demonize AAS. We need to do what europe and japan do... not make it a crime for personal use. They can still test for it in sports, why criminalize it? I understand there are health risks, but really, if other modern/developed countries like England and Japan don't have a problem with it, why do we?