DEMADEX ???

[Nat]

I searched every where and can find no info on this diuretic.

I hope you guys can help me out with a few questions.

Demadex information, usage, dosage, effects.

One question in perticular is about sodium. I am thinking
about doing a shitload before my show and was wondering
if taking Demadex would limit the effects of sodium
during the shitload. I know the sodium is needed for
the carb up but I think that Demadex may not let your
body restore sodium. Any thoughts or information would
be much appreciated.

 

[dragonfire101]

Demedex and Lasix are both Loop Diuretics so the same info would hold true for both. All I have seen was this article below. Not alot of dosages posted, but from what I seen 40MG ED shoul dbe find and not more needed. From reading though most say the injectable(IV) works better than the oral tabs, but its you fast. Maybe with someone with more experience could chime in.



Bodybuilding 101: Taught by Tom Prince

Let's start with something EVERYONE should know about Lasix, but hardly anyone does. How long does lasix pull water out of your system for? (Hint: It's how the drug got it's name)

Lasix pulls water for SIX hours. Get it? LaSIX. That's important because lots of people take a lasix tab, and don't think they've pissed enough after 3 hours, so they take another tab. Problem is, the first tab will still be working for another 3 hours. So, give the lasix at LEAST 6 hours to really work, before you judge the results and take more.

Potassium: No, you don't take extra potassium. You start a minimum of 8-10 days prior to the day of the contest, and begin taking extra multi-minerals. NOT multi-vit's/multi-mins (because you'd better be already taking those), but extra MULTI-MINERALS, by theselves. Cramping occurs from a mineral IMBALANCE. That can be a lack of ANY mineral, not just potassium. Usually, it's from a lack of sodium, because most bodybuilders cut out their sodium 3-5 days before the show.

Avoid cramping: QUININE SULFATE. If you don't know what this is, you are living in the dark ages of bodybuilding. Every pro you know uses this. Welcome to the 21st century. Quinine will prevent cramping, but you have to take it BEFORE you start cramping. Meaning, if you start your Quinine on Wednesday, taking 2 tabs in the a.m., 2 in the p.m., and do that thru the day of the show, you won't cramp. Even with no sodium for 5 days, and totally dehydrated, I've never cramped when I had Quinine.

ALDACTONE: Aldactone is NOT a true diuretic. The definition of a true diuretic is that it speeds up your kidney's filtration of the blood, thus making you pee more. Aldactone does not do this. Aldactone, is a hormone blocker, that blocks the hormone "aldosterone". That's the hormone that makes you hold water. Taking aldactone, blocks that hormone, so you won't HOLD any water. Problem is, it doesn't work that well if you are already holding water.

The value of aldcatone, is that once you lose the sub-q water that is blurring your conditioning, if you're taking aldactone, that water won't spill back into the sub-q layer. BUT, you do have to get rid of that water first.

This whole thing is a very tricky process for most people, and is the single biggest pitfall that most bodybuilders fall into. 10 years later, I know people that STILL can't get it right.

 

[Nat]

Thanks Dragon for the input. Appreciated!

Let me tell you what I have heard thus far about Demadex.
Not that I am an expert (but been competing for over 10yrs
, but this is what I found about Demadex and I am just trying
to figure out the whole water/sodium/shitloading/diuretics/last
week prep/ all that kaos.

I am 8 months away from my next show so I am studying because
I want to nail this and get dialed in this time.

Demadex seems to be much safer than Lasix for a couple of
reasons (from KingKong and others)

First it is much more predictable than lasix as far as
its effects. The effects of oral Demadex seem to take
effect within 2 hours instead of six.

Second it is a single loop diuretic and not a double loop
diuretic like lasix. I have to admit I am an ignoramos about
exactly what that means but I think it has to do with potassium
or sodium sparing (not sure, need some help on defining single and
double loop diurectics -hints my question about sodium and
shitloading.

But I have heard great things and bad things. One great thread
I came across titled something like "Why I messed up on my Show"
This guy blames Demadex for flattening him out. But others say it
is much better than even the mild diurectics like Dyazide which everybody
seems to love.

Final note. I know most guys are staying away from Diurectics and are coming in diced (Skip, and I believe Homonuc). So I am going to try that whole process and try my best to manipulate my water and sodium, but
6 to 7 hrs before prejudging if I am not on and I am going to try Demadex.
I always seem sharper on Lasix before, so I have Demadex now to try instead because of the above reason. Any help or thoughts much appreciated. PS thanks again Dragon for chiming in, really appreciate your help...

 

[AWN2004]

I used it for my last show I can honestly say I didnt have a problem with being flat at all. As a matter of fact I was super full after my last meal before pre-judging. I took 20mgs on Friday night before bed and only got up to use the restroom a couple of times. I know other guys who took another dose in the morning but I didnt see the need. My goal is to not need a diuretic or not need a loop diuretic. I have seen plenty of guys come in nice and dry without having to use something. Its just a matter of manipulating your water intake. Just dont make the mistake of trying to "lose fat with a diuretic"....thats when guys screw up in my opinion and flatten themselves out. Thats what I call that scenario when you look in the mirror and think you are holding water when in reality you need to diet another 4 weeks or whatever. Anyway...I only used it once but didnt seem to have any problems. I thought it was going to be much stronger but it seemed to do the job.

 

[Nat]

Thanks for the information AWN.

It was very reasurring to here.

It sounds like my diuretic usage will be vey similiar to yours. I am not going to use the diuretic as the primary to shed water, I will use it to really sharpen me up.

I am going to try to focus on the water manipulation and sodium load.
Thanks for the timing and dosage info much appreciated.

One note if you check back! Did you by any change do a shitload. I know you
said you were full, but just wanted to check on how you carbed up!

 

[gooey]

huh?

I used it for my last show I can honestly say I didnt have a problem with being flat at all. As a matter of fact I was super full after my last meal before pre-judging. I took 20mgs on Friday night before bed and only got up to use the restroom a couple of times. I know other guys who took another dose in the morning but I didnt see the need. My goal is to not need a diuretic or not need a loop diuretic. I have seen plenty of guys come in nice and dry without having to use something. Its just a matter of manipulating your water intake. Just dont make the mistake of trying to "lose fat with a diuretic"....thats when guys screw up in my opinion and flatten themselves out. Thats what I call that scenario when you look in the mirror and think you are holding water when in reality you need to diet another 4 weeks or whatever. Anyway...I only used it once but didnt seem to have any problems. I thought it was going to be much stronger but it seemed to do the job.

R u serious??? WTF their goes spring break..... man u know how to ruin a guys day...

 

[Magnum]

The best way to screw up 16 weeks of dieting is to use diuretics and carb up. If you are lean enough then you do not need them. Fact is you never need them, but somtimes they can help if you happen to be holding a lot of fat. If any of you guys saw the pics of John from the pittsburgh show then you will see how dry he was. No diuretics were used.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

I think the biggest mistake iv made is aldactone. Aldactone is used to HOLD your condition after you have achieved it. In the past iv started it too early, problem is if you lose too much water and flatten out, there is no way to reintroduce water/sodium until the aldactone wears off. Stick with Demadex or Diazide and you should be golden. Use as little as possible, then wait and give your body time to react and see what happens before you do anything else.

 

[Nat]

Thanks Magnum for your response. I am kind of old school, I take a kind of Dan Duchaine approach to my precontest and also some the idea behind Skips skiploading or shitloading. I read alot of your post and you seem like you know your stuff. But no carbs before the show scares me. I do agree diuretics are not needed but I have found that if I did every thing right if I do say Demadex 4to6 hrs before prejudging it really sharpens me up

 

[Nat]

TooPowerful thanks for your input. I am thinking about using the water manipulation and sodium load with some dandelion just to keep the system on
flushing the water. If everything is on with my carb up, and look decent I will take 10-20mg of Demadex about 6hrs before prejudging, again check again about three hours, and maybe another 10mg if needed. Any thoughts..

 

[hardkor]

The best way to screw up 16 weeks of dieting is to use diuretics and carb up. If you are lean enough then you do not need them. Fact is you never need them, but somtimes they can help if you happen to be holding a lot of fat. If any of you guys saw the pics of John from the pittsburgh show then you will see how dry he was. No diuretics were used.

Magnum,

John who? Like to know so I can look up his pics and see the results. NPC Pitsburgh?

That's pretty awesome that one can get ripped/dry without diuretics.

So does that mean the King won't be using any? You mentioned in another thread that you were gonna UP his food intake a couple days from the NY show. So I'm assuming you're upping his proteins and fats, as apposed to carbs.

 

[edge250]

used demadex for my 1st show, it worked awesome. i think i took 1 tab thursday night then 1/2 tab friday afternoon.

 

[Nat]

Edge thanks for your reply. So being a loop diuretic did you find any problems carbing up. I am doing a shitload of sorts before the prejudging and want to make sure that Demadex wont screw up my sodium in helping me to fill out.

 

[AWN2004]

One more thing to add is this..........diet your ass off and come in shredded and you most likely are not going to be holding huge amounts of fluid to begin with. Don't rely on a diuretic as an "out" so to speak. Ive seen several guys, natural ones, look fantastic because they busted their ass to get in shape and come show time the only thing they had to worry about was staying full. When you get that diced, water (usually) isnt an issue.

 

[edge250]

Edge thanks for your reply. So being a loop diuretic did you find any problems carbing up. I am doing a shitload of sorts before the prejudging and want to make sure that Demadex wont screw up my sodium in helping me to fill out.

no problems whatsoever. at that period of time i did not know of the "steakhouse effect" also known as the shitload. i carbed up on yams at that time. ofcourse later that night after downing a thin crust cheese pizza from pizza hut i looked even better. i think if i just had dropped "supps" a week or 2 earlier the diuretic would not have been necessary. but again i did not know a whole lot at that time

 

[MAINEVENT]

no problems whatsoever. at that period of time i did not know of the "steakhouse effect" also known as the shitload. i carbed up on yams at that time came in very dry, very hard, very vascular

yeah, but you stunk like hell!

 

[edge250]

yes i cannot deny the gas immenating from my yellow posing trunks. the fitness girls found it a bit offensive. it did not mix well with the heat backstage.

 

[MAINEVENT]

yes i cannot deny the gas immenating from my yellow posing trunks. the fitness girls found it a bit offensive. it did not mix well with the heat backstage.

yeah, thats what cause me to hold soooo much water and spill over. that gas was making me sick and my cortisol was going crazy.


i do remember those fitness girls though "ewwwing" and "OMG, what is that"....hilarious!

 

[Nat]

Thanks guys question answered. This forum never seems to let me down.
Mad props to all you guys who take time to help out others.

 

[hardkor]

no problems whatsoever. at that period of time i did not know of the "steakhouse effect" also known as the shitload. i carbed up on yams at that time. ofcourse later that night after downing a thin crust cheese pizza from pizza hut i looked even better. i think if i just had dropped "supps" a week or 2 earlier the diuretic would not have been necessary. but again i did not know a whole lot at that time

So you would drop your gear 2 weeks from a show? All of them or certain ones??