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This.

Some people can not train, eat shit, not know what AAS looks like and look like a greek good.

Some people can take 4g AAS every supplement in the world do everything perfectly and look bad and think when they hit 10% they accomplished something.

Genetics are king. Equality only exists in mathematics, human genetics give us the hav's, the have nots, and everything in between.
Incorrect.

Anyone who dedicates themselves to perfect training, diet, and supplementation for years will build a good physique others envy. I'm proof of that. I'm not saying a pro level physique, a competitive physique, or one of the best physiques on this board, but they will definitely have one of the best physiques in any gym and be someone that makes people on the street look and make comments.
 
Incorrect.

Anyone who dedicates themselves to perfect training, diet, and supplementation for years will build a good physique others envy. I'm proof of that. I'm not saying a pro level physique, a competitive physique, or one of the best physiques on this board, but they will definitely have one of the best physiques in any gym and be someone that makes people on the street look and make comments.
I do not agree with these. In my opinion attractiveness in both males and females is mostly based on shape. I do not think having a large amount of muscle and or low bodyfat can make someone have a body that others envy we even see in pro bodybuilding which is probably the only place where extreme muscle is desirable that people get knocked for shape (see the what is your ideal physique thread on this very board.

Attached are 2 bodies one male and one female. One looks like he does alot of what we do, the other nothing. Neither person imo could achieve an envious physique using training, diet, aas, adding extreme muscle or achieving the best bodyfat/weight to optimize their look.

Anyone can better their phsique, but that does not mean they can achieve an average let alone envious physique.
 

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No one is saying he ONLY eats candy. But the vast majority of the worlds best athletes are not eating high protein nor do they have tight diets.
You're clueless and obviously think the worlds best athletes have your same genetics. They dont.

Dwight Howard, one of the most athletic big man freaks of all time, ate skittles and sour gummies for pregame meals along with a shit diet.
He is/was also jacked with capped shoulders. Please be smarter.

Its so obvious who in this thread has actually played high level organized sports (college or higher) and who has not.
The idea of "if they're better then me they MUST be juicing and doing it all perfect" is complete and utter ridiculousness.
This. Very much this. PS: Usain Bolt ONLY ate McDonald's chicken nuggets before his WRs and ORs.
 
I'm sure pro athletes do as much PED as they need, these guys are so competitive and the margin between making millions and getting cut is so small i think they'll do whatever it takes to succeed. I just don't think the PEDs are very useful for them beyond expediting injury recovery

Still, guys do get caught here and there and I'm sure it's not isolated to the ones we hear about.
 
I do not agree with these. In my opinion attractiveness in both males and females is mostly based on shape. I do not think having a large amount of muscle and or low bodyfat can make someone have a body that others envy we even see in pro bodybuilding which is probably the only place where extreme muscle is desirable that people get knocked for shape (see the what is your ideal physique thread on this very board.

Attached are 2 bodies one male and one female. One looks like he does alot of what we do, the other nothing. Neither person imo could achieve an envious physique using training, diet, aas, adding extreme muscle or achieving the best bodyfat/weight to optimize their look.

Anyone can better their phsique, but that does not mean they can achieve an average let alone envious physique.
why you have to shame Big Lenny
 

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