Doubt in the long r3-igf1 lyophilized powder‏ received

capdevi2 · Nov 29, 2007

I have a doubt , as I ordered several months ago IGF from chemone and
in the last order, I have received much less powder.

I've asked Chemone for an explanation, and as you can see in the following mails, they say something about "fillers" and are ennoyed by my questions. I've tried to apologize to them, but i had not
another answer from them....

What do you think about?

I'd appreciate so much if someone has had a similar experience and if someone else has made a recent order and has received so little powder
I suppose it's normal, but comparing what I supposed be the "normal" quantity, I thought it was an error.

And I expect if someone from chemone sees this thread please don't begin to charge against me !!!
It's not a matter of trust or not, I believe what they say
But in the age of information,

I suppose you understand I am in the right to ask for different people's points of view and their knowledge and experience.
Because anyone can make an error, and I was the first to ask for their pardon if I was wrong, but i expected an answer...

My questions are:

It's a normal procedure to mix "filling" powder with the original product?
What is the purpose of that?

Why there's so much difference in the quantity as it seems to be in the pictures? (1/10th of the original amount from the first order compared to the last one)
Why they did put that "filler" months ago and not now?
It can really not be an error and they've sent me 100mcg of product instead of 1mg?

Please see the pictures attached below and give me your oppinion

And I repeat, i don't try not to offend anyone with this, simply to be sure since they seem to get very ennoyed with my suggestion of a possible error....

Thank you very much

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Original message:
To: [email protected]

I have a doubt:
In the long r3-igf1 vials I have received there seems to be very little lyophilized powder.
It's supposed to contain 1000mcg= 1mg in each vial
I attach a couple of pictures comparing a vial I ordered from you several months ago
In the left, you can see a significant powder quantity, but in the new vials you package now, there is aprox. 1/10th of the original amount.
Is this fact normal? Is the powder much more concentrated now?

(I have ordered peg MGF from you too, and the powder seems all right)

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Answer from chemone:

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Doubt in the long r3-igf1 lyophilized powder
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:46:15 -0500
To: [email protected]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with your order, and frankly I'm offended you'd think there was.

What you're seeing is 1mg of IGF without the standard filler, added to make people like you think you're getting more than you are.

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My final apologies :

To: ChemOne Admin ([email protected])

Please understand my intention was not to offend you in any way.
I think I did not express appropiately
And i apologize to you if you were offended, because, I repeat, it was not my intention to put in
doubt you did not send it all right.
And I am completely sure of your honestity, that's the reason I made a first order and now I have made this second order to you and I pretend to continue doing so if you let me ... ;-)
Simply, if you have read my mail, I had a doubt, as I noticed the quantity of the powder was much less then the one I ordered and received from you months ago.
Please, understand too as I am not an expert in peptides, I don't know anything about fillers (I don't know if it can be mixed another product with the lyophilyzed powder)
That's why I asked you what was the difference, simply that. I did not know anything about the filler and now you send the powder purely...
So, I as I understand you, I hope you understand me too, as I noticed something different and tried to know what was the difference.
Forgive me if you were offended , cause I trust you
And thank you for the explanation!

alecaf · Nov 30, 2007

Bro i goyt my igf and mgf from them aswell. I got about hte same amount you did, i thought that was normal i could be wrong however. My mgf did look a little suspicious (i dunno what it is suppose to look like since i've never used it before), some of the powder was sticking to the vial which made me skeptical and it looked considerably less than the igf even thought its suppose to be 2mg and igf 1mg. Maybe the mgf is denser or something i'm really not familiar with this.

alecaf · Nov 30, 2007

I was reading your reply from chemone and its hilarious, that guy no matter what you ask him he will answer your question in the most passive agressive, dick way possible lol. They're good guys tho, i hope

maxititer · Nov 30, 2007

IGF final injections, as well as all other peptides, and GH made by lyophilization: sterile liquid filled in vials, then it frozen, then dried in vacuum.
When it dried it retain form of piece of ice, it looks bigger but, by weight can be the same. Very often during transportation powder can loss it form and it will looks like in those vials on right side.

You are really cannot judge about weight of peptides by how it appears. There is no issue with filler of course, all peptides have to be mixed with some buffer salt.

I have received same looking MGF and CJC and it's really working fine.
IGF1 LR3 is quite cheap self cost peptide, hardly I can imaging some body will do such things.

Filtration losses are true also, but it is in range of 0.02 -0.04%, depend on filter type they are using, it is nothing significant.

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max..

capdevi2 · Nov 30, 2007

alecaf said:
I was reading your reply from chemone and its hilarious, that guy no matter what you ask him he will answer your question in the most passive agressive, dick way possible lol. They're good guys tho, i hope

Yes, friend, I quickly apologized to them, and I tried to explain simply I saw so much difference between the vials I thought perhaps it was a mistake or something was wrong... I did not accuse them at all.... But they got offended and perhaps blacklisted me... No answer from them yet...
No more explanations .... No matter... There are other suppliers...
The world does not end here... ;-)
----Be always positive, with the help of Crom...------

capdevi2 · Nov 30, 2007

maxititer said:
IGF final injections, as well as all other peptides, and GH made by lyophilization: sterile liquid filled in vials, then it frozen, then dried in vacuum.
When it dried it retain form of piece of ice, it looks bigger but, by weight can be the same. Very often during transportation powder can loss it form and it will looks like in those vials on right side.

You are really cannot judge about weight of peptides by how it appears. There is no issue with filler of course, all peptides have to be mixed with some buffer salt.

I have received same looking MGF and CJC and it's really working fine.
IGF1 LR3 is quite cheap self cost peptide, hardly I can imaging some body will do such things.

Filtration losses are true also, but it is in range of 0.02 -0.04%, depend on filter type they are using, it is nothing significant.

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max..

I thank you a lot for your answer!
Perhaps you are right, but when I saw the powder I thought immediately:
this is not the same product i received the first time or there's a confusion.

Honestly, without proper explanation...
Would you consider the amount of the litlle left bottle does have anything to see with the amount of the greater right botlle next to it, as shown in the pictures if it were the same product? It really seems 1/10th of it.
Perhaps they have changed of supplier, and the lyophilization method is different now, perhaps they don't mix any salt in it anymore... a lot of possible things.
Explaining such things does not cost so much to the final client
These were the explanations i expected from them, or one could otherwise think it could be a delivery error (obviously without intention)
but never trying to offend anyone nor accusing at all....
But did not expect so cold answer from Chemone, as if I had offended them , and to take out any doubts even I apologized to them...
If I have done anything wrong, please let me know
;-)

maxititer · Nov 30, 2007

It is like dried sponge, believe me it has nothing to do with amount of products it is. Powders on right looks like presipitated little bit, it can make IGF1 to appear even smaller.

Any way, you can do a very simple test, go to some university chemistry lab, or to jeweler, who deals with stones, they also may have very good electronic scales and ask them to check the weight. Then use content open vial make sure it is dry and check the weight of same empty vial again.

capdevi2 · Nov 30, 2007

thank you

Thanks again, maxititer !!!

I believe in what you say, no need to make tests on the powder....
The best way to proof it is to make use of it and see the results!!!
I am sure the product is all right and I expect to take the most profit of it...

No need to repeat my apologies to Chemone, I suppose....

Thanks to all of you for your information and oppinions !!!

debo22 · Dec 1, 2007

that guy at chemone is a fucking prick. every time you ask a question he bites your head off. he acts like he is doing you a favor by filling your order.

SORRY BUDDY IM DOING "YOU" A FAVOR BY ORDERING YOUR OVERPRICED PRODUCTS.

thank god IBE is back. granted they don't carry igf-lr3 everthing else is on point. we need competition or else these guys price gouge worse than your local BP on labor day weekend!

elvisman99 · Dec 1, 2007

Bro i got some HCG before that looked like salt granules and i was weary but it turned out to be a pure form that was some potent shit.. Now for the igf, i dont know for sure but maybe it could be along the same lines as that.. You handled things right bro, you'll be able to know if its real deal within a week or so just stay positive.. And if it turns out to be bunk shit then you'll know not to order from the source again.. Hope everything works out

td1111 · Dec 8, 2007

elvisman99 said:
you'll be able to know if its real deal within a week or so just stay positive..

How can you tell it's real within a week?

In response to the original post, I have used pregnyl brand HCG which had lots of visible filler/powder in the vial and also used an UG brand HCG which had tiny amounts of powder. Both worked extremely well, so it's probably just a difference in packaging or manufacturing.