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Endocrine Disruption

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Anyone catch the Colbert Report on Endocrine disruption? Talked about how the hormones, estrogen mostly, is seeping into our systems. They(ED) are found in pestacides, soft plastics & drinking water. The estrogen(birth control) is not being fully absorbed & stays in the urine. The water treatment plants fail to remove the hormones & they make their way into the water we use daily. 100% of the small mouth bass(males), in the Patomic river have started producing eggs. 25% of American women have levels high enough that its causing gental birth defects in their offspring. I imagine it would contributeto the trigger onset of early puberty also. The author had a story in the NY times. Scary stuff. Found an article.

"My Sunday column is unusual and has been in gestation for a couple of months, and frankly the research has been scary. We don’t know for sure that these chemicals are harmful, but the evidence is mounting. I only wish I had more space than the 750 words that the column allows.

I became interested in the issue when I saw Hedrick Smith’s Frontline special, “Poisoned Waters,” in April. I had vaguely known about amphibian and fish deformities, but that made me dig deeper — and it was like pulling at a ball of string.

This is a difficult kind of journalism to pull off successfully, and let me know if you think I blew it. On the one hand, we should call public attention to a potential public health hazard so that threats can be addressed. On the other hand, we have to acknowledge the uncertainties and avoid hysteria. The balance is particularly difficult with endocrine disruptors because the science is so complex (the causal pathways are particularly murky). One of the crucial questions is whether the effective of different chemicals is additive, so that low levels of particular substances — each harmless in and of itself — collectively create a threat, perhaps in conjunction with some genetic susceptibility. If it is additive, then studies based on exposure to a particular chemical are less reassuring.

In addition, the chemicals often interact with other elements in the environment. Perhaps the leading theory on the frog deformities today is that agricultural chemicals weaken their immune system, and then parasites actually trigger the deformities. But hermaphroditism in amphibians seems to be caused by chemicals alone.

Then there are measurement questions. There appears to be more hypospadia now, and more cases of undescended testicles, but is just that doctors are more meticulous about recording cases? It’s hard to be 100 percent certain. Likewise, some studies show declining sperm count, but some don’t. I used “up to 7 percent” for undescended testicles because a new Cambridge University study found 7 percent, up from 4 percent the last time it looked at the issue; more common figures are 4 to 5 percent. My figure of up to 1 percent for hypospadias comes from an article this year in Journal of Pediatric Urology, which estimated incidence at .3 to 1 percent of newborn boys.

Then there is the question of phthalates, used in plastics. They are significant endocrine disruptors to which we’re regularly exposed. I may come back to them in a later column.

For those interested in more information, there is an abundance of scholarly journal articles on these issues. The best single report I found was the 50-page scientific statement of the Endocrine Society, which was issued this month and systematically goes through the evidence on point after point. Unfortunately, the full report is hidden behind a wall, but the summary is here. In addition, The Endocrine Disruption Exchange offers lots of information. (UPDATE: Here’s a link to the Endocrine Society statement that isn’t behind a firewall.)

So what do we do? A starting point is much more rigorous research and very likely restrictions on chemicals used in pesticides. The EPA is moving ahead but needs more support. Still, all this may not be enough. Since human urine is a major source of estrogens in some areas, we may have to treat tap water to destroy hormones (this can be done but gets expensive). And we should be very careful of phthalates and other endocrine disrupting chemicals in the consumer products we use. I’m a novice in all this, though, so — particularly for you scientists and doctors who know these issues — I’d welcome your thoughts and suggestions."
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/opinion/28kristof.html

Fascinating stuff! The consequences of this blow my mind. There's a doc the Canadians put together called The Disappearing Male: **broken link removed**

Perhaps steroid using athletes are, in fact, engaging in a socially responsible act by pissing testosterone and aromatase inhibitors into the water system ; )
 
This is a huge problem here in Japan.

Boys are very feminized here and have very slight musculature. There is serious concern about rapidly falling sperm counts as well. Japan cannot afford a diminished birth rate.
 
Perhaps steroid using athletes are, in fact, engaging in a socially responsible act by pissing testosterone and aromatase inhibitors into the water system ; )

LOL!
 
This is a huge problem here in Japan.

Boys are very feminized here and have very slight musculature. There is serious concern about rapidly falling sperm counts as well. Japan cannot afford a diminished birth rate.

Isnt japan already overloaded with people. Wouldnt less births be better.
 
Isnt japan already overloaded with people. Wouldnt less births be better.

There's this thing you might be interested in.

It's called a question mark.

It looks like this: ????????

It goes at the end of sentances intended to ask questions...
 
There's this thing you might be interested in.

It's called a question mark.

It looks like this: ????????

It goes at the end of sentances intended to ask questions...

Yah but it was pretty obvious it was a ?. But honestly, it was a serious ?
 
But honestly, it was a serious ?

Okay, the only accurrate answer is that it depends on how you look at it.

Many extremist tree huggers hate humanity & see us as a disease on the face of "Mother Earth", so for them, less Japanese people would be a good thing...

Historically Japan has survived aside a numerically superior Chinese population because of at least 3 major factors:

1. The Japanese took soldiering pretty seriously.

2. The sea of Japan.

3. The grace of God.

While we could argue the 3rd factor (Kamikazee means Divine wind), the 1st two are pretty clear. The Japs fielded a pretty decent navy in their day & earlier on, their individual Samurai could chop up an abundance of Chinese swordsmen. Their archery skills weren't too shabby either, often hitting moving targets while doing a drive-by from horseback.

Their geographical seclusion from the hordes of Chinese footmen allowed them to survive centuries because the Chinese weren't able to land enough boatloads of soldiers to hold any beacheads for long.

What I'm getting to is that their survival was generally a direct result of personal excellence & teamwork. How that relates to your question is that although personal excellence & teamwork are important in Japan, the pressure to succeed in life is extreme there & average people often suffer intense stress in their efforts to find success in life.

The competition for acceptance into respected schools & for advancement in ones' proffession is tremendous, so although I doubt that the fundamental core value of unity would allow most Japanese to say that they wish they had fewer countrymen to compete against, I'll bet that if 30 or 40% of Japanese folks suddenly moved abroad, the remaining 60-70% would heave a silent sight of relief as this would reduce the competition for jobs & education opportunities.

Looking at their lifestyles purely from the standpoint of geographical overcrowding, you'd likely think they'd want a little more liebenstrohm (IIRC, that's German for elbowroom), but since there's strength in numbers, losing a sizeable chunk of their available workforce and/or draftable defenseforce might be viewed as an unnaceptable loss of strength...

I'm sure if the Chinese could wave a magic wand at Japan & it were suddenly & peacefully uninhabited, the Chinese would be quite happy to have the extra seaside realestate. Similarly, I'm sure that the Ayatollah wouldn't cry too hard if all Isrealis were to suddenly be abducted by aliens...

In case you've missed the point of all this babbling, I'll just restate that the best answer to your question depends on the viewpoint of who's answering it...
 
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I see your point. I could care less about too many people for the environment. I just this world already has too many people and there needs to be a limit to kids. Not for the environment, but so I can fucking get where i need to go. Too much traffic, too many lines,etc.. Way too many damn people.
 
I see your point. I could care less about too many people for the environment. I just this world already has too many people and there needs to be a limit to kids. Not for the environment, but so I can fucking get where i need to go. Too much traffic, too many lines,etc.. Way too many damn people.


Every now & then, nature hires a thug called disease to thin out the overcrowding issue. It's crude, but effective...

Abuse of antibiotics has weakened our ability to defend ourselves with complete hegemony. Pray "The Superbug" doesn't ever hatch, or we'll all be running to the hills.

Of course, with global warming melting the polar ice caps, there won't be many unpopulated hills to run to...
 
Every now & then, nature hires a thug called disease to thin out the overcrowding issue. It's crude, but effective...

Abuse of antibiotics has weakened our ability to defend ourselves with complete hegemony. Pray "The Superbug" doesn't ever hatch, or we'll all be running to the hills.

Of course, with global warming melting the polar ice caps, there won't be many unpopulated hills to run to...

I totally agree. I think this is also why other things happen like the orleans flood and other natty distasters. People need to stop having so many damn kids.
 
LOL!

I totally agree. I think this is also why other things happen like the orleans flood and other natty distasters. People need to stop having so many damn kids.

So we have all these horrendous natural disasters....well........due to people not utilizing birth control? ROFL!

You crack me up sometimes. No offense. :D
 
So we have all these horrendous natural disasters....well........due to people not utilizing birth control? ROFL!

You crack me up sometimes. No offense. :D

No clearly its not from that, its if you believe a higher being is doing it. Personally i belive God is saying "stop fucking up the world by bringing in too many in it or im gonna have to lay the hammer down" I have a feeling we'll continue to see a higher homosexual population and more sterile men in the future. Gods way of saying enough is enough.
 

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