Freeze Testosterone to Tell Real from Fake?

Cosmicdrifter · May 31, 2010

I just saw a post on another board that mentions you can freeze Test and real test fogs up while fake stays clear. Is there any merit to this test? If so, it beats the "wait and see," or "get some blood-work" approaches.

strongrhino · May 31, 2010

find that hard to believe. most likely crack bottle. if you not sure what you injecting in your body is real or not then why bother risking your healh. also by freezing real test you make ruin it.

evolutionX · Jun 1, 2010

Not sure about the answer for ur Q. but man if you inject test IMHO you feel it.. even longer ester in the same week i.e oily skin, woods, water retention, hunger etc. so I would at least give it a week..just a thaught. g/l

Druss · Jun 1, 2010

freezing it will make the test separate from the oil, you wont crack it if its an oil base.

If your really keen on finding out if its the real deal, and dont mind losing a ml, then take a test tube put a ml of depot in it, freeze it till it crashes and separates, pass through a coffee filter, scrap off the crystals, put it on some aluminium foil, then do a melting point test with your oven.

Eg test enanth melts at 39 c
test cyp 98 -104 c

etc...

If it melts at the temp its supposed to then , thats what it is, all AAS have a unique melting point that can be used to identify it without a lab test.

Wont tell you if your gear is underdosed, or exactly how pure the base is. But its a good way to know if your in the right ballpark.

Cosmicdrifter · Jun 1, 2010

Druss said:
freezing it will make the test separate from the oil, you wont crack it if its an oil base.

If your really keen on finding out if its the real deal, and dont mind losing a ml, then take a test tube put a ml of depot in it, freeze it till it crashes and separates, pass through a coffee filter, scrap off the crystals, put it on some aluminium foil, then do a melting point test with your oven.

Eg test enanth melts at 39 c
test cyp 98 -104 c

etc...

If it melts at the temp its supposed to then , thats what it is, all AAS have a unique melting point that can be used to identify it without a lab test.

Wont tell you if your gear is underdosed, or exactly how pure the base is. But its a good way to know if your in the right ballpark.

So, if there is real test in the vial (or syringe might work?) you would see two separate substances. Is there a norm related to the proportions in separation, meaning - would it typically be 50/50 oil and test? Or, is the % oil in a typical 10ml test vial 80% test/20% oil.

If you did not have two separate substances, it would tell you that you probably had 100% oil or perhaps some other AAS.

For instance, I have some of the controversial Denkall T-400 that is allegedly a mix of Enan, Cyp, and Prop. Would it freeze differently? Is there a characteristic pattern one would see in that combination?

PsyT · Jun 1, 2010

without.the.MP.test.then.all.you.are.going.to.know.from.cooling.the.oil.and.crashing.the.gear.soluble.in.the.oil.is.that.there.is.SOMETHING.in.the.oil.

Could.be.test.or.tren.or.nandrolone.or........

matt77 · Jun 1, 2010

This is the best and only way to really know what you have without a lab.

Druss said:
freezing it will make the test separate from the oil, you wont crack it if its an oil base.

If your really keen on finding out if its the real deal, and dont mind losing a ml, then take a test tube put a ml of depot in it, freeze it till it crashes and separates, pass through a coffee filter, scrap off the crystals, put it on some aluminium foil, then do a melting point test with your oven.

Eg test enanth melts at 39 c
test cyp 98 -104 c

etc...

If it melts at the temp its supposed to then , thats what it is, all AAS have a unique melting point that can be used to identify it without a lab test.

Wont tell you if your gear is underdosed, or exactly how pure the base is. But its a good way to know if your in the right ballpark.

prime · Jun 1, 2010

Freezing won't necessarily make it separate. If it's suspended well it won't.

Druss · Jun 1, 2010

prime said:
Freezing won't necessarily make it separate. If it's suspended well it won't.

A suspension is already separated, a solution is not. A suspension just needs to be filtered.

A suspension micro-particles are "suspended" usually in a thicker than water base for orals and ba water for injectable.

A solution is when powder is totally dissolved, for orals everclear is usually used, for injectable, ba eo and other diluting agents are used to disolve into solution. A solution needs to be crashed to separate the crystals from the base.

Using crashing to check dosage.

If you wanted to know if your vial was properly dosed, you would have to do a little math with the above procedure in my other post, you would have to weigh the crystals in the coffee filter.

eg. 1 ml depot crashed separated and filtered, lets say dry crystal weight is 100mg

then you know its dosed at 100mg/ml if its 70mg/ml or 50mg/ml then its under dosed. The smaller the sample the greater the error rate will be, so testing 10 ml will be more accurate than 1 ml, reason being loss and oil residue weight. you could always wash the crystals for more accuracy but not really necessary, you just want a ballpark analysis.

Druss · Jun 1, 2010

Cosmicdrifter said:
So, if there is real test in the vial (or syringe might work?) you would see two separate substances. Is there a norm related to the proportions in separation, meaning - would it typically be 50/50 oil and test? Or, is the % oil in a typical 10ml test vial 80% test/20% oil.

If you did not have two separate substances, it would tell you that you probably had 100% oil or perhaps some other AAS.

For instance, I have some of the controversial Denkall T-400 that is allegedly a mix of Enan, Cyp, and Prop. Would it freeze differently? Is there a characteristic pattern one would see in that combination?

Crashing is caused by the carrier(oil) not the compound.

Melting test wouldnt work as well with a mix, as all 3 tests have a different melting point, what you would see would be part of the powder pile would melt while other parts would not.

Although i guess ,if i want to know i would do a melt test in 3 stages

test enanth melts at 39 c
test cyp 98 -104 c
test prop 118-122C

So i would check for partial liquification at 39c
check for more liquification at 104c
check for total liquification at 122c

If it totally melts at 122c, then theres a good chance its your mix, but we wont know if theres something else in there unless it melts higher than 122c. But with mixes i would say they are all or nothing, all fake or all real.

Cosmicdrifter · Jun 1, 2010

Well to say that the freeze test is bogus is an obvious understatement - after looking at Druss's comments. The presence of an online site that tested AAS for authenticity - if the price could be brought into a reasonable range - would make some money.

Plus, it would change the world of UG labs and sponsors. It would bring a much higher level of accountability to the game.

RV63T · Jun 2, 2010

you can freeze it to get it to separate. but you will need a microscope and even then you will have to know what test crystals look like to know if its actually testosterone.

Druss · Jun 2, 2010

RV63T said:
you can freeze it to get it to separate. but you will need a microscope and even then you will have to know what test crystals look like to know if its actually testosterone.

bleh i give up lol

franktasey · Jun 4, 2010

PsyT said:
without.the.MP.test.then.all.you.are.going.to.know.from.cooling.the.oil.and.crashing.the.gear.soluble.in.the.oil.is.that.there.is.SOMETHING.in.the.oil.

Could.be.test.or.tren.or.nandrolone.or........

x2

crashtestdummy · Jun 4, 2010

RV63T said:
you can freeze it to get it to separate. but you will need a microscope and even then you will have to know what test crystals look like to know if its actually testosterone.

Druss said:
bleh i give up lol

Haha. I hear you.

prime · Jun 4, 2010

Druss said:
A suspension is already separated, a solution is not. A suspension just needs to be filtered.

Oops..I realize it's a solution versus suspension. Thanks for the catch I should have said if it's mixed well, it won't crash out of the solvent. I tried freezing a vial and it just turns viscous(won't move) and cloudy but no separation and immediately returns to clear state when back to room temp.

Druss · Jun 4, 2010

then it has alot of ba and bb maybe even an eo blend that wont crash without chemical help.

prime · Jun 5, 2010

Yes. higher on the bb. 20%

Demonhunter323 · Jun 5, 2010

shit we really need someone to test all the gear and get back to us. most online sponsors are underdosed or fake

JM1219 · Jun 6, 2010

Demonhunter323 said:
shit we really need someone to test all the gear and get back to us. most online sponsors are underdosed or fake

Mmm, I'm not sure I would say most...

Geneza Mast 100-- everything good, a little overdosed, and like almost all other labs had a contaminant of carboline
Lyka labs test prop- same as above
R.O.H.M. tren ace- same as above, except very slightly underdosed and had trace amounts of other steroids
Sciroxx tren ace-- bacteria, water, metals- all good pH a little low, and listed contaminants are amines, parrafins, Bis(2-ethyl hexyl) phthalate
Gen-shi Masteron- heavy metals at <.004%, slightly overdosed, and contaminants were testosterone and amines
IP china test prop- heavy metals <.004%, dosed exactly as stated, contaminant was stated as amines

Underdosed-
eurochem deca- under by 20mg/ml
goldengear Masteron- under by 50mg/ml
Prochem testC- 80mg/ml under
stealth methenolone Enan- 20mg/ml under
Unigen test E- 30mg/ml under

Heavy Metals-
Balkan at <.007% ( Also significant overdose of what label claimed- (Test C Amp) also contained Test E as a contaminant
Eurochem at <.004%
Gen-shi at <.004%
IP China at <.004%
Jinan at <.007%

Bacteria-
Alpha Pharma- Rexogin(1st sample) -400 Aerobic Plate Count per gram
Alpha pharma- rexogin (2nd sample) - <100 (Very acceptable)
Axio stanaplex50- 21,000
Diamond deca- 1500
Elite test prop- 100
Geneza test susp- 4,000
Golden gear Mast- 100
Unigen test E- 100
Everything else came back as <100
Endosyn and Morning star did not get bacteria or heavy metal tests
Manufacturer: Scirrox

Product: Trenadex

Content: Trenbolone Acetate

Labeled Dose: 100mg/ml

Lot Number: 2608

Expiration Date: 09/13

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 2.9

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Organic Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Glycerol Tricaprylate
TenboloneAcetae (90 mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
Amines
Parrafins
Bis (2-ethyl hexyl) phthalate

Comments:
Product may be considered acceptable, but it would be useful to determine the source of the amines and related compounds. presence of a trace level of a phthalate plasticizer may or may not be significant. The pH of this solution is also low.

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Manufacturer: Axio Labs

Product: Stanaplex 50

Content: Stanozolol

Labeled Dose: 50mg/ml

Lot Number: TV7R86

Expiration Date: 12 2012

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): 21,000

Comments:
This product was contaminated with a high concentration of bacteria.

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Sample #2

Manufacturer: Alpha Pharma

Product: Rexogin

Content: Stanozolol

Labeled Dose: 50mg/ml

Lot Number: RX8001

Expiration Date: 01 2011

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Comments:
This product was not contaminated with bacteria.

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Sample #1

Manufacturer: Alpha Pharma

Product: Rexogin

Content: Stanozolol

Labeled Dose: 50mg/ml

Lot Number: RX7001

Expiration Date: 08 2010

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): 400

Comments:
This product was contaminated with significant levels of bacteria.

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Manufacturer: ProChem Laboratories

Product: Tetosterone Cypionate

Content: Testtosterone Cypionate

Labeled Dose: 200mg/ml

Lot Number: 0218A

Expiration Date: 09/10

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram):

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 4.5

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Testosterone Cypionate (120mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
none

Comments:
This product contained a significantly lower concentration of steroid compared to the label claim dosage. otherwise, the product appears to be of acceptable quality. the presence of the plasticizer at trace levels may or may not be significant

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Manufacturer: Stealth Labs

Product: Methenolone Enanthate

Content: Methenolone Enanthate

Labeled Dose: 100mg/ml

Lot Number: 14090810

Expiration Date: n/a

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): n/a

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 4.8

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Methenolone Enanthate (80mg)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
Amines

Comments:
This product appears to contain a significantly lower concentration of active steroid compared to the claimed amount. otherwise, this product appears acceptable. Presence of a trace level of phthalate plasticizer may or may not be significant

Manufacturer: Asia Pharma

Product: Cypiobolic Injection

Content: Testosterone Cypionate

Labeled Dose: 200mg/ml

Lot Number: 001C1

Expiration Date: 09/2011

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: <.1%

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 3.8

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Tetosterone Cypionate (190*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
None

Comments:
This product appears to be of good quality.

Manufacturer: Balkan Pharmaceuticals

Product: Testosterona-C

Content: Testosterone Cypionate

Labeled Dose: 200mg/ml

Lot Number: 0308 1TC200

Expiration Date: 0909

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: .94%

Heavy Metals: <.007%

pH 4.5

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Tetosterone Cypionate (210mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
Testosterone Enanthate

Testosterone

Comments:
This product appears to be of good quality. Testosterone Enanthate is present in a substantial concentration. the total testosterone dose significantly exceeds label claim.

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Manufacturer: Diamond Pharma
Product: Decanonate 250

Content: Nandrolone Decanoate

Labeled Dose: 250mg/ml

Lot Number: 000222

Expiration Date: 01May2012

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): 1,500

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 4.3

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Nandrolone Decanoate (240mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
Testosterone

Comments:
This product was contaminated for a hifg level of bacteria. The steroid content was accurately dosed and had no heavy metals this product did contain some minor contamination with testosterone.

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Manufacturer: Axio Labs

Product: Testaplex C 200

Content: Testosterone Cypionate

Labeled Dose: 200mg/ml

Lot Number: RY930547472XY

Expiration Date: n/a

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: 1.76%

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 5.2

Constituents:

Fatty Acids
Organic Fatty Acids
Testosterone Cypionate (220mg*)
Glycerol tricaprylate
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
None

Comments:
No obvious preservatives. Glycerol tricaprylate (tricaprilin) is used as an excipient. this product would be considered acceptable. it might be desirable to determine the source of the amines. The water content of this steroid was also high. While not immediately problematic, it may suggest problems during the manufacturing process, such as the exposure of hygroscopic raw steroid powder to open air, or impurities in the other materials.

Manufacturer: Elite Fitness Pharmaceuticals

Product: Elite proprionate

Content: Testosterone proprionate

Labeled Dose: 100mg/ml

Lot Number: 12/2010

Expiration Date: n/a

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): 100

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 4.1

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Testosterone Proprionate (110mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
Carboline
Trace Steroids

Comments:
This product contained bacteria that was just above the limit of detection. It might also be desirable to determine the source of the amines and the trace level of other steroids.
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Manufacturer: EuroChem Laboratories

Product: Decaject

Content: Nandrolone Decanoate

Labeled Dose: 200mg/ml

Lot Number: n/a

Expiration Date: 03.2013

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.004%

pH 5.1

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Nandrolone Decanoate (180mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:

Trace Steroids

Comments:
This product is of acceptable quality, but the source of the amino commponentes should be determined.
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Manufacturer: Dutch Labs

Product: Mastabol 75

Content: Drostanolone Propionate

Labeled Dose: 75mg/ml

Lot Number: 042007

Expiration Date: 042010

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 4.5

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Drostonolone Proprionate (65mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:

Carboline

Trace Steroids

Comments:
This product appears to be of acceptable quality, the presence of low levels of multiple steroids may indicate overlap of processing of a variety of steroids.
__________________

Manufacturer: Euro Pharmaceuticals

Product: Boldenone Undecylenate

Content: Boldenone Undecylenate

Labeled Dose: 300mg/ml

Lot Number: 0118

Expiration Date: 08/2009

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 5.3

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Boldenone Undecylenate (300mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:

Undecanoic acid, methyl ester

Comments:
This product appears to be of good quality.

Manufacturer: Geneza Pharmaceuticals

Product: Mast 100

Content: Drostanolone Proprionate

Labeled Dose: 100mg/ml

Lot Number: GP117

Expiration Date: 10/20/2010

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.002%

pH 4.1

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Glycerol Tricaprylate
Drostanolone Propionate (120mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:

Carboline

Comments:
This product is apparently of acceptable quality. It might be desirable to determine the source of the amines.
__________________

Manufacturer: Gen-Shi Labs

Product: Masteron

Content: Dostranolone Propionate

Labeled Dose: 100mg/ml

Lot Number: GSL112523

Expiration Date: 08/2011

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.004%

pH 4.7

Constituents:

Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Glycerol Tricaprylate
Drostanolone Proprionate (110mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:
Testosterone
Amines

Comments:
This product would appear to be acceptable, but it would be desirable to determine the source of amines.

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Manufacturer: International Pharmaceuticals China

Product: Testosterone Propionate

Content: Testosterone Propionate

Labeled Dose: 200mg (per 2 ml ampule)

Lot Number: 060813

Expiration Date: n/a

Analysis:

Bacteria (Aerobic Plate Count per Gram): <100

Karl Fisher Water: n/a

Heavy Metals: <.004%

pH 5.0

Constituents:

Benzyl Benzoate
Fatty Acids
Ethyl Oleate
Testosterone Proprionate (100mg*)
*estimated concentration based on chromatographic purity

Contaminants:

Amines

Comments:
This product would appear to be acceptable,but it would be desirable to determine the source of the amines."