Health problems after IGF use. Please help!

[hardbody261981]

I was taking IGF 5-6 days a week sub-q at 20 mcg a day for approximately 4 weeks. A couple days after I got off I started noticing all of the signs associated with hypoglycemia. It has been two months since that I have been dealing with hypoglycemia all day, everyday. I went to the emergency room 1 week ago and they ran catscans and tests and ended up saying I had an inflammed pancreas but no tumors, thankfully, but werent really much more help than that and didnt really know anything about IGf. I eat 6-8 small meals a day with complex carbs and protein and it seems to be helping. Couple questions though: Is my body producing too much insulin now resulting in hypoglycemia constantly? Also, everytime I eat, it is digested and into the toilet within a half an hour afterwards. Also, this ridiculous fast(or inefficient) metabolism has cost me about 20 lbs....most of that being muscle. Do I have overactive endocrine glands now causing me to metabolize too fast and is there a treatment for this? Please help I've been looking for answers for over two months.

 

[pesty4077]

I was taking IGF 5-6 days a week sub-q at 20 mcg a day for approximately 4 weeks. A couple days after I got off I started noticing all of the signs associated with hypoglycemia. It has been two months since that I have been dealing with hypoglycemia all day, everyday. I went to the emergency room 1 week ago and they ran catscans and tests and ended up saying I had an inflammed pancreas but no tumors, thankfully, but werent really much more help than that and didnt really know anything about IGf. I eat 6-8 small meals a day with complex carbs and protein and it seems to be helping. Couple questions though: Is my body producing too much insulin now resulting in hypoglycemia constantly? Also, everytime I eat, it is digested and into the toilet within a half an hour afterwards. Also, this ridiculous fast(or inefficient) metabolism has cost me about 20 lbs....most of that being muscle. Do I have overactive endocrine glands now causing me to metabolize too fast and is there a treatment for this? Please help I've been looking for answers for over two months.

Bro, how can anyone answer your questions, we are not doctors. Where is you complete blood work profile. How can you put a puzzle together without the pieces?

 

[hardbody261981]

There are people on here with alot of knowledge on the subject. Was just looking for some extra input. Seeing if anyone on here has gone through something similar and what they did to fix it

 

[rippedfreak123]

did you gain while on it? did you notice postive effects while on?? could it have been bunk??

 

[hardbody261981]

Yeah I gained about 5 lbs and the pumps were insane. Also, this is my 4th time taking IGf in 16 months so I know for sure it was good. I think my system got used to IGF and when I got off it threw it into shock. Now I believe my inflammed pancreas is creating too much insulin(not from a pancreatic tumor, already checked). And I think my endocrine glands are stuck in overdrive causing me to metabolize meals within the hour that I eat them. It has been more than two months though and i cant believe its not really getting better. Maybe my theories are not correct. The internal medicine doc did not know much more than I did about the matter so wasnt much more help than the internet. I guess I'm a little scared my system wont go back to normal

 

[Bobaslaw]

I was taking IGF 5-6 days a week sub-q at 20 mcg a day for approximately 4 weeks. A couple days after I got off I started noticing all of the signs associated with hypoglycemia. It has been two months since that I have been dealing with hypoglycemia all day, everyday. I went to the emergency room 1 week ago and they ran catscans and tests and ended up saying I had an inflammed pancreas but no tumors, thankfully, but werent really much more help than that and didnt really know anything about IGf. I eat 6-8 small meals a day with complex carbs and protein and it seems to be helping. Couple questions though: Is my body producing too much insulin now resulting in hypoglycemia constantly? Also, everytime I eat, it is digested and into the toilet within a half an hour afterwards. Also, this ridiculous fast(or inefficient) metabolism has cost me about 20 lbs....most of that being muscle. Do I have overactive endocrine glands now causing me to metabolize too fast and is there a treatment for this? Please help I've been looking for answers for over two months.

This is quite interesting. Usually mild acute pancreatitis (I am assuming that is what you were diagnosed with) does not cause hypoglycemia, and resolves itself within a short time. In some cases it can lead to chronic pancreatitis which will destroy pancrease cells including insulin producing ones and eventually leads to hyperglyceima/diabetes.
The only thing that I know of related to chronic hypoglycemia would be an insulinoma. You said they ruled out a tumor. Did you get a C-Peptide test? That's the commonly used Blood Test to rule this out.
As for IGF... Studies have shown that IGF can actually inhibit and remedy pancreatitis by its direct action on interleukin-10 (IL-10).
If anything was related to IGF, it would be the possibility it could help progress an insulinoma by increasing its proliferation rate. You would have had to have an insulinoma in the first place, even if it may not have been significant at the time. However, I am not sure by what means this may have been ruled out, so I pose the question about C-Peptide test.
In the end, there are many fac tors that could have brought about the pancreatitis: alcohol, certain drugs, gall stones, blunt force injury to the general area...


Take Care.

 

[hardbody261981]

They said I had mild pancreatitis and gave me a catscan to check for tumors. I went to an internal medicine doctor and he said my system is just trying to readjust but he didnt really know too much about igf. His only advice was to eat frequent, small meals consisting of complex carbs and said I would need to take in almost double the calories of a normal person until my system goes back to normal. I just dont understand why my system eats up food so fast, I eat and 30-45 minutes later I crap it out and my stomach is growling for more food. No history of diabetes or anything in the family so I dont know where this is coming from. I have taken IGF 3 times in the past and no side effects but this time did it for me. I guess I'm kind of scared my system wont go back to normal. OH, I have an appt with an endocrinologist in 8 days.

 

[Builtlilcolt]

Endocrinologist.

Glad to see you have scheduled an appointment to see an Endocrinologist. Besides paying attention to Bob's input (very impresisive!), an Endocrinologist is the one, it sounds like, you need to see. Quite frankly, I think your internist kind of dropped the ball here. When you see the E., besides giving him a good history (symptoms and all) you might want to throw out, " Went on the internet... do you think a C-peptide suppression test or a tolbutamide test might be in order here?"
Good luck and let us know the happens.

 

[hardbody261981]

thanks bro will definitely keep you posted

 

[diskey]

I have the same, I don't know what have caused it. As far as I know from looking around there isn't any treatment against it except if it's a tumor.

It's the opposite of having diabetes, hypoglycmetic. I like to think of it as my body miscalculates how much insulin to produce when I eat. And much of the habits are founded on what I have ate like for the last period, days-weeks.

If I for example switch from bulk to diet to fast, it becomes a real problem. Body seems used to eat lot of food and then when the usual amount no longer is coming problems occur.

In all if I eat enough food there is no problem, and I will not notice it at all, especially if I eat large meals that take time to digest.

But as you also state your doing and as I'm doing myself now, eating small meals like 4-500kcals with 2-4 hours intervals, when I get hungry and don't satisfy it I get the signs. I know the signs very well, so when they come I just have to find something to eat right away, or my shirt will get wet inside out in 5 minutes.

You should carry some sugar tablets or soda with you, in case it happens, and if you eat around the clock on a diet, be sure to have the food ready when you should, if you don't eat when your body is expecting the food, only half an hour delay could cause problems.

 

[rippedfreak123]

yea to be honest..thats the best advise, go see an endo. Let him know exactly what youve done and whats going on..make sure he doesnt write it on paper cuz if by any chance you need medication your insurance might not cover it being that youve used anabolic steroids, igf, insulin, etc etc..

hopefully that helps and let us know the results

 

[mr. boom]

IGF is not worth all the risk I have heard about. Stick with hgh.

 

[pesty4077]

IGF is not worth all the risk I have heard about. Stick with hgh.

Mr. Boom, Is this you website?

 

[mr. boom]

Yes but don't have most recent ones up. These, http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35394

 

[mr. boom]

yea to be honest..thats the best advise, go see an endo. Let him know exactly what youve done and whats going on..make sure he doesnt write it on paper cuz if by any chance you need medication your insurance might not cover it being that youve used anabolic steroids, igf, insulin, etc etc..

hopefully that helps and let us know the results

Hope he don't get a Dr like the one I got the other day. Went in because I have a pinched nerve in my back but he ask me if I took steroids, I said yes then he started asking what kind, what else, what else. It really ticked me off so I just started naming all I could think of. Then here comes the speech. This is just a hobby, your never gonna go far, it's not worth it, it's gonna kill you bla bla bla bla on and on he went. I just bit my toung and stayed calm. Then he writes me presciption for naproxin and flexeril. Ok I can only take flexeril at night when I don't need it and I can get naproxin over the counter. He said I would give you hydrocodone but youe lifestyle make you more likely to become addicted to it. The he looks at my wife and said have you two talked about this. (ofcourse we have) she politly said yes but she told me in the car that she almost said naw mother f--ker you just caused us to get a divorce. He did say though if you had to smoke or drink or take steroids I would tell you to take steroids, they are much safer than smoking and drinkin. I want go back to him though,

 

[hardbody261981]

Yeah the ER and internal medicine doc i went to didnt do shit for me. Said my liver enzymes were high and that my pancreas was inflammed and I probably had pancreatitis(which I dont think thats the case). He told me I could eat whatever I wanted and gave me ativan for the anxiety and lexapro for the anti-depressants. Took ativan for two days and that shit made me depressed. I told him that I'm fine when I eat the right amount of carbs and he put me on ativan, which i found out through research, lowers your blood sugar levels. Isnt that the problem I'm trying to avoid??? He couldnt explain why my pancreas was inflammed, couldnt explain much to me really, it was 11:30 and he was getting ready for lunch so he wrote out two scripts, didnt run any tests, and then left. I dumped his scripts in the toilet cause there's nothing wrong with my head and they dont fucking listen

 

[papapumpsd]

IGF is not worth all the risk I have heard about. Stick with hgh.

Boom, what are the risks you have heard about? Also, how does HGH compare to LR3 IGF-1, in terms of "risks" vs "rewards"?

 

[Bobaslaw]

Boom, what are the risks you have heard about? Also, how does HGH compare to LR3 IGF-1, in terms of "risks" vs "rewards"?

Hey Papa

The risks are higher than normal IGF-1 levels either from exogenous IGF or increased systemic IGF-1 mediated by exogenous HGH.
The risk is mainly posed in individulas who may currently have some form of cancer or tumor, or have had cancer or may be predisposed for cancer risk.
IGFs are responsible for cell proliferation and differentiation which is what we hope for with hyperplasia of muscle cells. However, certain cancers do exhibit an overexpression of IGF receptors and will also thrive on IGFs to proliferate. These cancers do actually produce their own IGF which they use, but additional systemic levels will just add fuel to their fire.
This is why IGF levels are a concern when treating cancer and in situations like this drugs that lower GH/IGF are commonly used to slow the processes involved with cancerous proliferation.

Take Care.

 

[rippedfreak123]

Hey Papa

The risks are higher than normal IGF-1 levels either from exogenous IGF or increased systemic IGF-1 mediated by exogenous HGH.
The risk is mainly posed in individulas who may currently have some form of cancer or tumor, or have had cancer or may be predisposed for cancer risk.
IGFs are responsible for cell proliferation and differentiation which is what we hope for with hyperplasia of muscle cells. However, certain cancers do exhibit an overexpression of IGF receptors and will also thrive on IGFs to proliferate. These cancers do actually produce their own IGF which they use, but additional systemic levels will just add fuel to their fire.
This is why IGF levels are a concern when treating cancer and in situations like this drugs that lower GH/IGF are commonly used to slow the processes involved with cancerous proliferation.

Take Care.

good info bob..see you around theboards alot

 

[pesty4077]

Hey Papa

The risks are higher than normal IGF-1 levels either from exogenous IGF or increased systemic IGF-1 mediated by exogenous HGH.
The risk is mainly posed in individulas who may currently have some form of cancer or tumor, or have had cancer or may be predisposed for cancer risk.
IGFs are responsible for cell proliferation and differentiation which is what we hope for with hyperplasia of muscle cells. However, certain cancers do exhibit an overexpression of IGF receptors and will also thrive on IGFs to proliferate. These cancers do actually produce their own IGF which they use, but additional systemic levels will just add fuel to their fire.
This is why IGF levels are a concern when treating cancer and in situations like this drugs that lower GH/IGF are commonly used to slow the processes involved with cancerous proliferation.

Take Care.

I would ALWAYS recomend doing bloodwork to detect for cancer cells, before taking IGF or GH. These tests are recomended: CEA, CA 19-9, Ca 125, CA 72-4, PSA & FPSA, AFP, BHCG, B2M, NSE, CYFRA 21-1