Helios are bullshit... I thought they were good, they just made me sweat and nothing else... I got NO spot reduction, in fact, they made my problem areas worse for some reason... Now I have a real bitch of a time getting rid of the fat near the obliques, it's the last place to go, I have to have veins in my lower abs and a real deep six pack before they leave... It might be a coincidence, but since I started using the spot injects with helios, that's what I got... Systemic Clen works a lot better... IMO