Help for begginners with AAS

[tkav1980]

if you cannot answer yes to all of these questions you are not ready to use steroids.
1)have i put in 10 years of serious training?
2)do i understand how to eat properly?
3)d0 i understand what proper recovery is?
4) have i missed more that 3 schedualed workouts, or more that 6 schedueled meals in the last 4 years?
5) have i had blood work done
6) do i understand blood work
7)can i define the difference between an anabolic and androgenic steroid.
8)do i understand HOW steroids help build muscle
10) do i have a full understanding of prprer PCT?
11) do i understand that once i use steroids i can not ever go back to "normal" for the rest of my life?(if you dont even understand this question ur not ready)
12) can i afford to use them responsibly and safely?
13) IS IT WORTH IT?
I cant say that i was able to answer yes to all of this the first time i uised AAS. in fact most would be a big no! if ur between 18 and 25 and thinking about starting your first cycle seriously take into consideration these things.
I WISH I WOULD HAVE! I am 28 and on doctor prescribed hrt.
Im too young for that and it is my fault that im on it now. i dont regret my decisions but i would do it different. id probably be just now starting my first cycle. and by first cycle i mean a truly reasonable first cycle like 250mg test e a week for 12-16 weeks followed by pct.

id love to have some vets and especially TP4U chime in on this thread. it is the responibility of veterans(not that im one), and those with some experience and a level head to try to make sure others dont make the same mistakes some of us have and get themselves hurt.

 

[gordo14]

Great post.......

You are a very valuable asset to this board. Thanks for caring.

 

[Dad]

Would agree with this completely!

We've been trying to pound this message into people's heads for years! Just when yuo think it might be starting to take hold, some tool gets on to ask what yuo think of his 4 compound, 1000+ mg per week, 26 week cycle with no mention of PCT.

This is usually some guy who says he's been training hard for several years (read: several months), is 200+ at 12% bodyfat (read: pushing 180 at 20% bodyfat), and has done lots of research (read: I've read the gossip and misinformation on the popular muscle boards).

 

[tkav1980]

i just keep thinking while im reading this board, even some of the vets having to go under the knife to remove gyno, or other problems that people come running to us to get help with that could have been totally avoided in the first place.

dont get me wrong, i am one of those guys that wants to look just like jay cutler or dorian yates. and I HAVE tried the mega dose "short cuts". I HAVE skiped PCT. and you know what happened to me? NOTHING. im 5'7" 194 8%bf with 17 1/2 inch arms, a 28 inch waist(maybe 29) no gyno or anything. BUT, ill probably never have kids, and i got GODDAMN lucky that nothing happened.
a verry close friend of mine who used to cycle with me, and i mean the same cycle, diet, training, everything, had his first heart attack and stroke at the ripe old age of 29. You cant say that a gram of test, a half gram of deca, 300 mg eq, with d-bol or a-bombs or whatever the hell else we could get our hands on didnt contribute to that. theres noone on earth that could convince me that our stupdity didnt contribute to that.

and for you newbies....you think your 750 mg test e will get you big and bad...your wrong! my 250mg test e a week with MY diet, My training, My KNOWLEDGE will get me bigger than you. im not bashing you im just saying that AFTER i made a TON of mistakes, i did my homework, i learned what its like to not miss a meal in 8 months(YES NOT ONE MEAL) before 8 months ago i had to miss one due to the flu, and not miss one single schedualed workout in a year! this sport above all else comes down to committment, understanding your body, dicipline, KNOWLEDGE, and lastely steroids. Steroids are like salt on food, its only there to add alittle flavor. the hard work and dedication is what really gets you big.
so if you want to do a cycle after only 6 months of lifting, go ahead.
if you want to take a gram of test a week go ahead.
but come back to me in a year and well see who accomplished more.

YOU NEED TO EARN THE RIGHT< THROUGH HARD WORK< DEDICATION AND TIME TO EVEN THINK ABOUT USING STEROIDS!

 

[WildBB]

Great info...tkav!

I was just thinking:

I doubt anyone I have known or anyone on this board (well I am sure there is one) who was able to answer YES to all the questions when they began their 1st cycle. For many of us, I am sure there was only one (maybe two) that was a NO. Very few people completely understand all these concepts. The basics, yes/OK...but real understanding to many of these comes from experence.

 

[pesty4077]

i just keep thinking while im reading this board, even some of the vets having to go under the knife to remove gyno, or other problems that people come running to us to get help with that could have been totally avoided in the first place.

dont get me wrong, i am one of those guys that wants to look just like jay cutler or dorian yates. and I HAVE tried the mega dose "short cuts". I HAVE skiped PCT. and you know what happened to me? NOTHING. im 5'7" 194 8%bf with 17 1/2 inch arms, a 28 inch waist(maybe 29) no gyno or anything. BUT, ill probably never have kids, and i got GODDAMN lucky that nothing happened.
a verry close friend of mine who used to cycle with me, and i mean the same cycle, diet, training, everything, had his first heart attack and stroke at the ripe old age of 29. You cant say that a gram of test, a half gram of deca, 300 mg eq, with d-bol or a-bombs or whatever the hell else we could get our hands on didnt contribute to that. theres noone on earth that could convince me that our stupdity didnt contribute to that.

and for you newbies....you think your 750 mg test e will get you big and bad...your wrong! my 250mg test e a week with MY diet, My training, My KNOWLEDGE will get me bigger than you. im not bashing you im just saying that AFTER i made a TON of mistakes, i did my homework, i learned what its like to not miss a meal in 8 months(YES NOT ONE MEAL) before 8 months ago i had to miss one due to the flu, and not miss one single schedualed workout in a year! this sport above all else comes down to committment, understanding your body, dicipline, KNOWLEDGE, and lastely steroids. Steroids are like salt on food, its only there to add alittle flavor. the hard work and dedication is what really gets you big.
so if you want to do a cycle after only 6 months of lifting, go ahead.
if you want to take a gram of test a week go ahead.
but come back to me in a year and well see who accomplished more.

YOU NEED TO EARN THE RIGHT< THROUGH HARD WORK< DEDICATION AND TIME TO EVEN THINK ABOUT USING STEROIDS!

At 48, I worry more about my health more than ever, but when I was young, I thought I was invincible.

TWO TYNENOL WILL CURE MOST HEADACHES, TAKE THE WHOLE BOTTLE AND IT WILL PROBALLY KILL YOU!

 

[bigguns078]

At 48, I worry more about my health more than ever, but when I was young, I thought I was invincible.

TWO TYNENOL WILL CURE MOST HEADACHES, TAKE THE WHOLE BOTTLE AND IT WILL PROBALLY KILL YOU!

That's the problem.. How do you teach a kid he is not invincible?? It's sad... But most people will push their limits until something bad happens... Then they wake up and realize their stupidity and change their ways... I fall into this category too.. And its just not with AAS usage, anything in life... I can't tell you how many guys i know got seriously injured or died because they thought they were invincible on a street bike... I think its something coded in our genes to push our limits and not worry about consequences...

I know several young guys.. between 19 and 22 years of age.. Who are on their 4th, 5th cycle... I try to explain they can grow leaps and bounds with a solid diet, rest, and hard training... They don't listen... They take that first cycle... See the immediate results... And that's it.. They are hooked...

 

[pesty4077]

That's the problem.. How do you teach a kid he is not invincible?? It's sad... But most people will push their limits until something bad happens... Then they wake up and realize their stupidity and change their ways... I fall into this category too.. And its just not with AAS usage, anything in life... I can't tell you how many guys i know got seriously injured or died because they thought they were invincible on a street bike... I think its something coded in our genes to push our limits and not worry about consequences...

I know several young guys.. between 19 and 22 years of age.. Who are on their 4th, 5th cycle... I try to explain they can grow leaps and bounds with a solid diet, rest, and hard training... They don't listen... They take that first cycle... See the immediate results... And that's it.. They are hooked...

Life in general will teach them, we can only advice and care about them.

 

[El_Animal]

tkav, can you explain why once you make the plunge you will never be "normal" for the rest of your life?

Is it the psychological addiction to continue doing cycles or are you saying that one cycle will have effects that last forever? (Honest question)

 

[idiotpterry]

tkav, can you explain why once you make the plunge you will never be "normal" for the rest of your life?

Is it the psychological addiction to continue doing cycles or are you saying that one cycle will have effects that last forever? (Honest question)

I am curious too

 

[Sesshomaru]

You cant say that a gram of test, a half gram of deca, 300 mg eq, with d-bol or a-bombs or whatever the hell else we could get our hands on didnt contribute to that.

Seriously, was any of that stuff fake? The only people I know who've even tried a gram of test did so because at the time, they were getting very underdosed or fake stuff. I cant imagine what would happen if all of that were potent and legit doses.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Seriously, was any of that stuff fake? The only people I know who've even tried a gram of test did so because at the time, they were getting very underdosed or fake stuff. I cant imagine what would happen if all of that were potent and legit doses.

At that dosage a large portion would be converted to estros and you could then enjoy the benefits of having breasts of your own to play with.

 

[tkav1980]

At that dosage a large portion would be converted to estros and you could then enjoy the benefits of having breasts of your own to play with.

although breasts of my own to play with would be great, i dont think they would help with the "look" im going for...lol......


what i meant by begin normal above is that there are serious physical and psycological side effects of steroids, once you train on them without knowing how you will feel when you come off, you could suffer from serious depression, and create an mental addiction for yourself...i know i did. and what if you do proper pct, and your as safe as you can be but you still end up with gyno. guess what? the surgery is gonna cost you alot more than that cycle that gave you the gyno in the frst place. my suggestion, is first go read a couple of articles called hardcore bulking, but only the first 2, your not ready for the third one yet. then read all the stickeys about diet and training. and if you still have questions, aks here. but until you have 10 years of SOLID training under your belt, dont ask about steroids. just dont use them. i promise you if you have a legit question about diet and training, even the ever-sarcastic ouchthathurts (sorry buddy but its kinda true..lol) will step right up with great advice. just dont go to the vets without doing your own research first, its not fair, they did it for themselves and so should you.

if anyone has any questions at all you can always pm me. im by no means an expert but i feel like i have a pretty good handle on the basics, and the basics will work until you are verry advanced. this is a lifestyle, if your not ready to commit to that it may not be the sport for you.

 

[tkav1980]

Seriously, was any of that stuff fake? The only people I know who've even tried a gram of test did so because at the time, they were getting very underdosed or fake stuff. I cant imagine what would happen if all of that were potent and legit doses.

im sure they were legit UGL's. the problem was that we were idiots, and i got LUCKY! i never got any gyno, but my friend did, i did however suffer the hypogonadism, which in turn didnt seem to be a problem for him. id bet some was under dosed, and some was right on. either way it was stupid. i just hope i can save someone else the trouble.