help my friend im totally stumped.

[tkav1980]

a co-worker of mine has been training for oh at least 4 years or so (he's the chef at the restaurant i work at). he's really dedicated to training but diet is a bit askewed. about my height but weighs 178, pretty strong. he asked why he isnt gaining any weight and i asked what he's eating. here was his response to what he ate yesterday

16OZ lean ground beef - 2 8oz cheeseburgers
18 oz chicken
2 isopure shakes
1 bowl soup- pasta e fagoili
pasta in a tomatoe cream sauce

we looked on fitday.com and it added up to be 391 grams pro, 227 grams fat, 109 grams carbs, and a total of 4009 calories.

im thinking that at 178 thats plenty of food to gain SOME kind of weight good or bad. protien is pretty high too. i can adjust my own diet just fine but im not good with other people's. oh he woke up around 11, had a shake, trained, had another shake and spread the rest of the food out throughout the day. he trains with low volume similar to Big A's beginner program posted on pro muscle. please let me know if you need more information than this, he's here at work today so i can get any info you need. thanks in advance for your help.


seriously if i can help he'll make me filet...please guys...get me fed...lmao.

 

[joshbarnett]

doesnt seem like 4000 cal to me...increase carbs-oatmeal, brown rice, sweet potatoes, red potatoes etc....

 

[Hungry Hungarian]

I would be willing to bet that if you had him start wiritng down everyting he ate EVERY DAY for two weeks one of two things would happen.

1. You both would quickly see that he doesnt eat that large amount of food every day..or

2. He will start to see that some days he isnt eating but only half that much and he will start increasing his consumption.

I used to make the same mistake of thinking I ate so much and wondering why I wasnt getting any bigger until i actually started writing everything down. It didnt take me long to realize that I wasnt nearly as conisistent as i needed to be about calorie intake!

 

[Shelby]

There's no way that adds up to those macros... 227 grams fat? Try more like 75g, tops. I think the protein and carb numbers are off too.

He needs to eat more carbs and fats, bottom line. And get on a regular plan (some guys will eat like that for 1 day, then the next day just eat a bowl of cereal and a hot dog and that's it for the entire day).

 

[tkav1980]

I would be willing to bet that if you had him start wiritng down everyting he ate EVERY DAY for two weeks one of two things would happen.

1. You both would quickly see that he doesnt eat that large amount of food every day..or

2. He will start to see that some days he isnt eating but only half that much and he will start increasing his consumption.

I used to make the same mistake of thinking I ate so much and wondering why I wasnt getting any bigger until i actually started writing everything down. It didnt take me long to realize that I wasnt nearly as conisistent as i needed to be about calorie intake!

There's no way that adds up to those macros... 227 grams fat? Try more like 75g, tops. I think the protein and carb numbers are off too.

He needs to eat more carbs and fats, bottom line. And get on a regular plan (some guys will eat like that for 1 day, then the next day just eat a bowl of cereal and a hot dog and that's it for the entire day).

wiht macro's im just going by what it said on fitday. your totally right about consistancy with eating. ill try to get him to keep a log but that may be alittle tough with the job he does in the kitchen. im going to try to keep this thread at the top and update it close to daily. i make adjustments to my diet based on results but i know how my body reacts to different foods and macro ratio's. i have no idea how to do this for someone else. thanks for the advice...maybe ill get that filet.

 

[tenny]

maybe its time for supps???

 

[tkav1980]

maybe its time for supps???

that is possible, however i would like to exhaust every other option first. god knows i should have done that beofre i ever turend to supps.

 

[whiteknucks]

that is possible, however i would like to exhaust every other option first. god knows i should have done that beofre i ever turend to supps.

i am very much like your friend. my gains are very slow, and i stay extremely lean year round no matter what i eat. i have never seen science or explanations as to why some are like this, but

as of recently, i have started gaining again faster than ever...i dropped doses back to normal ranges and have made a few adjustments. thanks to the Dat thread.

 

[YANKEES1]

There's no way that adds up to those macros... 227 grams fat? Try more like 75g, tops. I think the protein and carb numbers are off too.

He needs to eat more carbs and fats, bottom line. And get on a regular plan (some guys will eat like that for 1 day, then the next day just eat a bowl of cereal and a hot dog and that's it for the entire day).

It very well can be that high in FAT!..Pasta Fagoli has Bacon an some Bacon fat if made right
An the cream sauce that's heavy cream very high in fat..An you have the cheese on the Burgers..An even lean Chop meat is high in fat!
Italian food can an is high in fat
I would BUMP what some guys are saying about the carbs..An go with the Carbs,say brown rice,sweet potatoes regular potatoes,pasta since you have easy access..
An UP,UP, an UP THE PROTIEN!!!!
Slow but QUALITY gains are the BEST...GOOD LUCK BROTHER..YOU eat Too GROW!!! He Must BUMP the PROTIEN!!!!!!!!!

 

[superman21]

I agree with shelby. Protein is fine, but fats and carbs need to be bumped up.

 

[Nikopapp]

maybe its time for supps???

No way dude, this guy needs to just eat.

As others have said, that is not 400 calories.

Definitely needs more carbs.

 

[tkav1980]

ok, heres what i had him try yesterday. he had an isopure for breakfast before work sometime around 8 am. when i got in at 9 i had him make 2 omlets (one for each of us) 12 eggwhites including 3 whole eggs topped with oliveoil and low fat cheddar cheese. before we opened we both had one burger with no bun, piece of chicken, baked sweet potatoe with seasoned olive oil. the restaurant got verry busy so next meal wasnt until 1:30. that was WPI with skim milk and natty pb, 8 oz chicken, broccoli. at 3 30, burger no roll, 2 pork chops, 1 cup rice, green beans sauteed in olive oil. 5 30 was wpi wiht skim and natty pb, 9 oz swordfish, baked sweet potatoe wiht seasoned olive oil. i havent talked to him yet today to find out what else he ate after work but ill find out later and let you know. id like some of our diet experts to let me know if im heading in the right direction with this.

im obsessive about making sure im eating enough. if i even have one day in a week where im not packing the food in i wont gain a pound. im not sure how to teach someone else how to do this.

 

[Nikopapp]

ok, heres what i had him try yesterday. he had an isopure for breakfast before work sometime around 8 am. when i got in at 9 i had him make 2 omlets (one for each of us) 12 eggwhites including 3 whole eggs topped with oliveoil and low fat cheddar cheese. before we opened we both had one burger with no bun, piece of chicken, baked sweet potatoe with seasoned olive oil. the restaurant got verry busy so next meal wasnt until 1:30. that was WPI with skim milk and natty pb, 8 oz chicken, broccoli. at 3 30, burger no roll, 2 pork chops, 1 cup rice, green beans sauteed in olive oil. 5 30 was wpi wiht skim and natty pb, 9 oz swordfish, baked sweet potatoe wiht seasoned olive oil. i havent talked to him yet today to find out what else he ate after work but ill find out later and let you know. id like some of our diet experts to let me know if im heading in the right direction with this.

im obsessive about making sure im eating enough. if i even have one day in a week where im not packing the food in i wont gain a pound. im not sure how to teach someone else how to do this.

Dude, your problem is in the meals very simply.

12 egg omelette with olive oil with cheese- no carbs, was this your first meal????

3rd meal- WPI w/ milk and peanut butter, chicken and broccoli.

Where are the carbs?

Then you have WPI with the swordfish next meal...you are eating more protein than carbs, you need to switch that around.
Why so much protein and so little carbs?

Drop the WPI out of the meals, there is already plenty of protein in the meal.
Add a carb instead, and drop a little of the healthy fats.

Like on the omelettee, no need for the olive oil if you are using 3 whole eggs and cheese.
Add in a carb, some potato or rice or oatmeal.

Drop the daily fats in half, and bump the carbs 3X.

Then see how's he doing in a couple of weeks.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Nice

Dude, your problem is in the meals very simply.

12 egg omelette with olive oil with cheese- no carbs, was this your first meal????

3rd meal- WPI w/ milk and peanut butter, chicken and broccoli.

Where are the carbs?

Then you have WPI with the swordfish next meal...you are eating more protein than carbs, you need to switch that around.
Why so much protein and so little carbs?

Drop the WPI out of the meals, there is already plenty of protein in the meal.
Add a carb instead, and drop a little of the healthy fats.

Like on the omelettee, no need for the olive oil if you are using 3 whole eggs and cheese.
Add in a carb, some potato or rice or oatmeal.

Drop the daily fats in half, and bump the carbs 3X.

Then see how's he doing in a couple of weeks.

Great advice Nikko..........honestly, that diet is dangerous.

 

[DatBtrue]

a co-worker of mine ...seriously if i can help he'll make me filet...please guys...get me fed...lmao.

Using Fitday, assuming ground beef is 95% lean, using Olive Garden for the bowl of soup and a website for the pasta dish I come up with:

Calories: 4306
Protein: 375
Fat: 53
Carbs: 39

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Yikes

Using Fitday, assuming ground beef is 95% lean, using Olive Garden for the bowl of soup and a website for the pasta dish I come up with:

Calories: 4306
Protein: 375
Fat: 53
Carbs: 39

3 % carbs............11% fat.........86% protein........

 

[DatBtrue]

3 % carbs............11% fat.........86% protein........

Oops I forgot the cheese in cheese burgers!

2 slices of Colby Cheese = 223 calories, 13 grams of protein, 18 grams of fat and a gram of carbs.

The best advise that I can give... it is something I learned a long time ago... is simply this.

Add a pickle.

 

[tkav1980]

thanks for the advice guys. gives me a whole new respect for trainers. this is much harder to do for someone else. its different than posting here where you can propose and idea and the person on the other end takes the advice or not. Im going with nikopaps idea and tripling the carbs and cutting fats in half. ill update soon.

 

[tkav1980]

ok ive been thinking....he is about 50lbs lighter than i am, he doesnt need as much food, he just needs consistant eating ot start with. so im going to try this for 2 weeks.
meal 1 6 eggs including 3 whole eggs, 2 pack oatmeal.
meal 2 wpi in grape juice wiht creatine and glutamine
train
meal 3 same as meal 2
meal 4 - lean beef at 8 -10 oz, 2 cups brown rice or baked potatoe, and 2 cups green veggies.
meal 5 - 7 oz chicken, pork, or fish, potatoe, green veggies cooked with olive oil.
meal 6 WPI in skim milk.

wpi shakes will be 40 grams protien frim WPI.

i think that should be plenty of carbs to start with and not too much fat, after 2 weeks ill se what happens and make adjustments.