Help with Tren, tamoxifen, and testosterone

[1bigun11]

I read that tren works best with estrogen, but also read that it is best stacked with testosterone. I am currently on testosterone Cyp, 500-600mg/week. I take tamoxifen while on the testosterone to counter the estrogen. I have some tren enanthate coming and it will be my first cycle with it. Questions: 1. Do I stop the tamoxifen to take advantage of the estrogen with the tren? 2. With tren enanthate do you have to do the every other day injections, or is once a week with the testosterone enough? Final question (maybe stupid) I read a post where the guy was injecting the tren with an insulin needle, but tren is used intermuscular (not subcutaneous) right? Thanks for the help.

 

[Quad-smack]

Not going to to flame you here, but it would really be good to do some research before experimenting with the substances mentioned.

 

[0o0o0o]

I read that tren works best with estrogen, but also read that it is best stacked with testosterone. I am currently on testosterone Cyp, 500-600mg/week. I take tamoxifen while on the testosterone to counter the estrogen. I have some tren enanthate coming and it will be my first cycle with it. Questions: 1. Do I stop the tamoxifen to take advantage of the estrogen with the tren? 2. With tren enanthate do you have to do the every other day injections, or is once a week with the testosterone enough? Final question (maybe stupid) I read a post where the guy was injecting the tren with an insulin needle, but tren is used intermuscular (not subcutaneous) right? Thanks for the help.

Personally I agree with the above poster, there is a beginner forum below as well,

However tren doesn't have to be run with test,

But when running test my rule of thumb is to use an AI instead of a SERM to control estrogen ALWAYS

People do intramuscular injections of tren, everyother day or every day

 

[1bigun11]

Not going to to flame you here, but it would really be good to do some research before experimenting with the substances mentioned.

This is the quote from the other board, which did not have an article on ethanate:

"Now that the properties of trenbolone acetate have been explained we can better understand how to use it in order to maximize its advantages. Evidence suggests that trenbolone when stacked with estrogen promotes more weight gain that trenbolone alone(22), now I’m not telling you to go pop some birth control with your trenbolone but the addition of aromatizing orals such as dianabol and a long estered testosterone such as cypionate or enanthate would produce great gains in a bulking cycle."

Further research: I know that tren ethanate has an active life of 8 days (which is why I questioned the need for eod injections, unless there was some other benefit to it). I plan to start it at 200 mgs/week. The average recomended dose is 200-600mgs/week

The guy saying he injected it with an insulin needle was from a post on this site about tren cough.

My questions are pretty simple really. But thanks for not flaming me bro.

 

[Quad-smack]

Tren is in most peoples opinion the strongest injectable available. A little goes a loooong way. I have always heard it would be a good idea to run 2x as much test as tren. Ten weeks max. I would NOT run Nolva with tren. If you have gyno issues, then Pramipexole, Cabergoline or Bromocriptine should keep you straight.

For the Enanthate base, I would think about E3-4D administrations. It wouldn't hurt to do that with your Cyp either. Helps keep your levels from fluctuating too much.

Estrogen with anything will make you gain weight - just not the kind I'm interested in. Estro & Tren = a nice set of DD's

 

[1bigun11]

Thanks Quad!

 

[MiteyMite]

Agree with above, E3D / E4D is fine.
You asked about slin pin method, it's easy, backload the pin with the tren. If doing quad injections, push down with two fingers right into the muscle and do the injection. Don't be shy when getting those fingers down into the muscle.

 

[1bigun11]

Thank you MiteyMite!

 

[VitoBrata]

Tren is in most peoples opinion the strongest injectable available. A little goes a loooong way. I have always heard it would be a good idea to run 2x as much test as tren. Ten weeks max. I would NOT run Nolva with tren. If you have gyno issues, then Pramipexole, Cabergoline or Bromocriptine should keep you straight.

For the Enanthate base, I would think about E3-4D administrations. It wouldn't hurt to do that with your Cyp either. Helps keep your levels from fluctuating too much.

Estrogen with anything will make you gain weight - just not the kind I'm interested in. Estro & Tren = a nice set of DD's

X2 Estrogen and Tren is a really bad idea. Prolactin and Estrogen LOVE each other.

 

[juced_porkchop]

man i still dont under stand why ANYONE would use nolva or clomid for ESTROGEN CONTROL!
it DOES NOT LOWER IT>
taking it it will still be building up it will block in in some sites like breast glandfs but its still building up.
you need an AI for estrogen control.
i like letro (0.6mg every three days) if needed. an dit wan be used with tren and test.

DONOT use nolva with tren or deca or anything prog/nor "deca, tren"
it can make gyno worse/ give you gyno.

only use nolve for PCT . for anythign else use an AI like letro or the like.

somthing like this:

test 500mg ew wk1-14
trenE 300mg ew wk 1-12
letro 0.6 mg e3d wk1-15
PCTwk16-20 (nolva 30/30/20/20)

 

[1bigun11]

Thank you. I have no gyno issues. I have no desire to take estrogen.

It seems that the issue regarding estrogen is whether or not any of you get better results on tren by letting the testosterone aromatize.

I will definitely stay away from Nolvadex/Tamoxifen while on it.

Thanks again. Very helpful info here.