HOUSTON PRO CODITION DISCUSION

[bigheinz]

Well i was looking very good 4 hours before the show but i was taking diazyde every 5 hours as Dave asked me so i was worry about getting flat but he sayd i was just going to lose the little water in the next hours before going out to the prejudging. I wanted to drink some water to keep my condition but he sayd no.

As you can see i was tight with 225 pounds when he last check me at his room 4 hours before, when i came back from the prejudging i weight myself after eat a hamburguer and i was 221 pounds, so i am going to use the same words Victor Munoz sayd last years after happened the same thing, he sayd "Seems like some body took your blood out!!!"

Well litterally was like this and it happen to me again, Dave did a great job but he didnt listen to me when i told him that always when i stop the water i get flat.

Also is no way to hold weight just eating 35 gr of carbs wiht each meal and rice cakes with peanut butter with dizazyde and water restriction.
I put guys on 400 gr up to 800 gr plus cheating and they always look full and great.

I will do my own thing for the Europa show in dallas August 14th and 15th like i did to the Atlantic City show, i am already low body fat and i have 6 weeks left, i ran out of money by other family issues and i am tired of TRAINERS!!!
I rather to look big at 235 pounds and holding water than small, out of condition and flat at 220 pounds.

You can see the pics of the Atlantic City show at www.ironpeople.spaces.live.com and notice the difference.

I was also unluccky becouse i got in the same linve of the heaviest and taller guys so at 221 pounds without size and density i looked like a kid.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Well i was looking very good 4 hours before the show but i was taking diazyde every 5 hours as Dave asked me so i was worry about getting flat but he sayd i was just going to lose the little water in the next hours before going out to the prejudging. I wanted to drink some water to keep my condition but he sayd no.

As you can see i was tight with 225 pounds when he last check me at his room 4 hours before, when i came back from the prejudging i weight myself after eat a hamburguer and i was 221 pounds, so i am going to use the same words Victor Munoz sayd last years after happened the same thing, he sayd "Seems like some body took your blood out!!!"

Well litterally was like this and it happen to me again, Dave did a great job but he didnt listen to me when i told him that always when i stop the water i get flat.

Also is no way to hold weight just eating 35 gr of carbs wiht each meal and rice cakes with peanut butter with dizazyde and water restriction.
I put guys on 400 gr up to 800 gr plus cheating and they always look full and great.

I will do my own thing for the Europa show in dallas August 14th and 15th like i did to the Atlantic City show, i am already low body fat and i have 6 weeks left, i ran out of money by other family issues and i am tired of TRAINERS!!!
I rather to look big at 235 pounds and holding water than small, out of condition and flat at 220 pounds.

You can see the pics of the Atlantic City show at www.ironpeople.spaces.live.com and notice the difference.

I was also unluccky becouse i got in the same linve of the heaviest and taller guys so at 221 pounds without size and density i looked like a kid.

I would just go back to the last week before the Huston show and don`t change anything till the next show, if you and up to be 220 or 215 that is ok , it is better to be 215 shreded and hard than big and flat, you would weight 215 but you will look like 240. Every time you change what your body use to, your body will realize it in about 6 hr and will go in to surviver stage, Dave should know all this.

 

[homonunculus]

Heinz,

Sorry to hear things didn't work out as well as they might have...

Just wondering: Is this perhaps an issue that should be discussed moreso behind the scenes between you and Dave than out here in the open?...

-S

 

[b-boy]

Heinz,

Sorry to hear things didn't work out as well as they might have...

Just wondering: Is this perhaps an issue that should be discussed moreso behind the scenes between you and Dave than out here in the open?...

-S

I agree randy, but on the other hand im glad that heinz put it on the board so that we may learn from his mistakes....... Plus its ALWAYS nice to get Emerics opinion IMO.

thanks heinz for letting us know what happened so that WE may learn, although we all react differently there may be that one or two guys on the board that react the same as you and will learn a ton.

P.S.
Randy i do see your point bro, im just a greedy bastard thats all...LOL

 

[mrsoul]

thanks for sharing that heinz. its like my trainer and parnter murry says, " there are not a lot of things you can do to improve right before a show but there are plenty of things you can to to ruin it!".

 

[bigheinz]

Heinz,

Sorry to hear things didn't work out as well as they might have...

Just wondering: Is this perhaps an issue that should be discussed moreso behind the scenes between you and Dave than out here in the open?...

-S

I don't think I am acting wrong talking about my experience, Daves procedures are great it just didn't work as well with me at the final day as you sow. His plans are posted everywhere by himself and it works.
My purpose here is share with you and get some pointers to manage myself for my next show. I am almost dry already so in 6 weeks I can get really shreded.
Dave is a great nutritionist as I have been posting during this whole year, he got me in condition.

 

[homonunculus]

I don't think I am acting wrong talking about my experience, Daves procedures are great it just didn't work as well with me at the final day as you sow. His plans are posted everywhere by himself and it works.
My purpose here is share with you and get some pointers to manage myself for my next show. I am almost dry already so in 6 weeks I can get really shreded.
Dave is a great nutritionist as I have been posting during this whole year, he got me in condition.

Fair enough.

What were Dave's responses to your concerns?...

-S

 

[bigheinz]

I open this thread to talk about my experience not to talk about what Dave says or what i talk with him.

Lets get to the points i neew to clarify and i think it would help some others here.
1.- Why to do drastic changes the last couple of days if you are already looking good? it is very commun hear people say that they were looking very good 2 weeks, one week or even a month.
2.- Why some people cut the water without take diuretics or taking diuretics and they look great and some people dont, like myself.
3.- How many meals do you have to take before the prejudging if it is at 5 pm, how many grams of carbs and protein.?

lets talk about this questions and then i will ask more.

 

[big E]

Big Heinz, seems everytime a competitor works with a "guru" or "trainer" whatever there called today, most times they don't hit their peak. Thats why I think you should listen to who knows you best and thats yourself the competitor. These gurus have aset formula that doesn't always work for each individual. Look what everyone thought of chad nichols after getting his wife and Ronnie Coleman in crazy shape with huge size. Everyone ran to him for help and I don't think anyone else had the same success let alone a fraction of the results. And those where pro bodybuilders. And once again it shows everyone that its gentics pure and simple when winners are declared. Genetics regarding their bodies and genetics regarding their ability to synthesize all that is needed to win at that level. Good luck at your next show and listen to yourself!

 

[Rob Roy]

I open this thread to talk about my experience not to talk about what Dave says or what i talk with him.

Lets get to the points i neew to clarify and i think it would help some others here.
1.- Why to do drastic changes the last couple of days if you are already looking good? it is very commun hear people say that they were looking very good 2 weeks, one week or even a month.
2.- Why some people cut the water without take diuretics or taking diuretics and they look great and some people dont, like myself.
3.- How many meals do you have to take before the prejudging if it is at 5 pm, how many grams of carbs and protein.?

lets talk about this questions and then i will ask more.

I think you may be misunderstanding "Randy's" post. In the same sense as you posting the fact that Dave's plan was a failure to you personally and more or less laying it out for all to learn from. Dave's feeback is more than valuable information as you feel he's a knowledgable guy. Maybe i'm wrong, but just curious as to his thought on why it works for some and not others.

 

[pesty4077]

I open this thread to talk about my experience not to talk about what Dave says or what i talk with him.

Lets get to the points i neew to clarify and i think it would help some others here.
1.- Why to do drastic changes the last couple of days if you are already looking good? it is very commun hear people say that they were looking very good 2 weeks, one week or even a month.
2.- Why some people cut the water without take diuretics or taking diuretics and they look great and some people dont, like myself.
3.- How many meals do you have to take before the prejudging if it is at 5 pm, how many grams of carbs and protein.?

lets talk about this questions and then i will ask more.

Big Heinz, One thing I admire about you, is that your a pro, not too many people can claim that. I had a similar situation in 1987, when training for Mr. Pa. I had a different trainer that year, 2 weeks out I was ripped and ready at 222lbs., best shape of my life. He took me down, and did exactly what you said. I weigh at the show at 214, I should have won the heavy weight division, instead I place 4th.(The guy that won was the same guy I beat 6 months earlier) I learn one thing that day, it is good to have advice, but no one knows your body like you. You didn't get to be a pro, because you don't know what you are doing, you got to be a pro because you do.

 

[homonunculus]

I agree randy, but on the other hand im glad that heinz put it on the board so that we may learn from his mistakes....

P.S.
Randy i do see your point bro, im just a greedy bastard thats all...LOL

I hear ya - I'm greedy like that too!!!

I open this thread to talk about my experience not to talk about what Dave says or what i talk with him.

Lets get to the points i neew to clarify and i think it would help some others here.
1.- Why to do drastic changes the last couple of days if you are already looking good? it is very commun hear people say that they were looking very good 2 weeks, one week or even a month.
2.- Why some people cut the water without take diuretics or taking diuretics and they look great and some people dont, like myself.
3.- How many meals do you have to take before the prejudging if it is at 5 pm, how many grams of carbs and protein.?

lets talk about this questions and then i will ask more.

1.) Very good question - nature of the perfectionistic bodybuilder, in part? This may not apply to you, but the body image tricks that one's own mind can play on itself also play a role. Another one is the fact that even though you may look great during the week before the show, its not uncommon to look (or at least think you look) even better the week (or at least for a couple days) after. This means there's room for improvement possibly.

I recently was talking to a guy I worked with and said, "Hey, in the past, this past week has been a F or D grade, but certainly not an A. Lets try to get in the 90-95% range and get an A, but not get so fanatical to get an A+. A+ students don't develop from C, D or F students from just one test [show] to another..."

2.) Depends on diet, recent habitual water and electrolyte intake, compounds being used, amount of loose skin where fat had been recently lost, and many other things.

3.) Heinz - another wide open question, man. (Not at all dogging you - GOOD questions!!!) A good answer to this depends on your answer to #1, actually!!!

I think you may be misunderstanding "Randy's" post. In the same sense as you posting the fact that Dave's plan was a failure to you personally and more or less laying it out for all to learn from. Dave's feeback is more than valuable information as you feel he's a knowledgable guy. Maybe i'm wrong, but just curious as to his thought on why it works for some and not others.

Thanks, Rob. If there's anyone to understand the logic behind the "failed" strategy, its the man who came up with it (Dave), I think...

-Scott

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Well im gonna go with Emeric here hahahaha....big surprise. I planned to last year, but didnt have the guts to do it. I sent out pix to a few judges i know, and when i showed up on show day they wanted to know why i didnt look like i did in those pix a week ago. I was told i would have won if i looked like that. Trying to be 5% better made me 20% worse and i lost. If you are already looking phenominal, i said just stick with it.

BuffD for example. Look at his 3 week out pix. Dry, full and very hard. What more do you want? Hes peeled. If he were to step on stage exactly as he looks in those pix or maybe 5% dryer he would wreck house. For him...he doesnt gotta change SHIT. Just carb up in the SAME fashion hes been doing all prep (hes been doing it, so he knows EXACTLY how hes going to respond...just duplicate it), cut water at some point late, and change NOTHING else. He's not going to get any more conditioned than he is because hes peeled and dry, but he CAN get worse if he fucks with it.....so why fuck with it?

Be ready, do your homework, bust your ass and dont worry about last minute hocus pocus and throwing a hail mary pass!

 

[chris250]

Hey bro,

I say if you look great a week out, then dont change a thing...Keep it the same, cause as you know...you might look 5% better, or could look 50% worse...I'd rather go with look the same the week out, then trying something new or different...Just my opinion

chris

 

[Magnum]

Some guys only know how to prep guys one way. It is very important to know how a persons body reacts BEFORE competition. Put 10 guys on the same prep and you will have a couple at least some out looking fine. Remember that there are no "exact" guidelines when it comes to getting guys ready for shows.

 

[MAINEVENT]

You were in great condition. Sounds like you overdid the diuretics.

 

[bigheinz]

You are all write bros, but you know what, it was my foult, it happen to me different times and i have benn saying that i will neveer cut the water again, and i did it again.
I had take the same amount of diruetics in other ocations but drinking water to hold the water inside the muscle and lose the water of the skin, i do this with my guys and you have seen them dry and winning their shows.

I do think if you are not really lean either way you have to carb up and look full becouse if you are off and flat you will look like crap. At least you can show your size and work no mather you look holding water people will see you are competitive and not without level.
I did it to the 2007 Atlatinc City and i had good comments of my improvements in size, this time htey sayd i need 10 to 20 pounds of muscle, becouse they didnt sow me before.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

I had take the same amount of diruetics in other ocations but drinking water to hold the water inside the muscle and lose the water of the skin, i do this with my guys and you have seen them dry and winning their shows.

Can you post some pix of your clents?

 

[AWN2004]

You are all write bros, but you know what, it was my foult, it happen to me different times and i have benn saying that i will neveer cut the water again, and i did it again.
I had take the same amount of diruetics in other ocations but drinking water to hold the water inside the muscle and lose the water of the skin, i do this with my guys and you have seen them dry and winning their shows.

I do think if you are not really lean either way you have to carb up and look full becouse if you are off and flat you will look like crap. At least you can show your size and work no mather you look holding water people will see you are competitive and not without level.
I did it to the 2007 Atlatinc City and i had good comments of my improvements in size, this time htey sayd i need 10 to 20 pounds of muscle, becouse they didnt sow me before.

You know the positive thing about all of this is that you are learning about your body and won't make the same mistakes again based on the information and knowledge you are gathering. I think that you are dedicated athlete for following Dave's plan even though you knew it might make you flat. I think so many people don't trust their prep guys and then when things go wrong, they have no idea what didn't work because they switched things up too much at the end and listened to five different people. Be eliminating this piece of the final stages of your prep, you are gaining an edge and will be able to come in drier and tighter than ever next time you compete. Keep it up Heinz as you are doing what you love and having a good time doing it.

 

[bigheinz]

Can you post some pix of your clents?

Get in www.ironpeople.spaces.live.com I have lots of happy winners there.