How can I check if my CJC1295 is no GRF

squall · Jun 30, 2009

Since 2 days I´m on 3x100mcg CJC1295 and 3x100mcg GHRP6 a day. After injection I got a slight flush and my hunger increased. I also got an extrem pump at the training session today.

After reading datb´s great thread, I now know this are the typical sides.

My question is, when my CJC1295 is modified GRF(1-29) or Sermorelin, will I have the same sides that I get from CJC1295?

Is it possible to feel the difference between CJC1295 and modified GRF(1-29) or Sermorelin?

DatBtrue · Jun 30, 2009

squall said:
Since 2 days I´m on 3x100mcg CJC1295 and 3x100mcg GHRP6 a day. After injection I got a slight flush and my hunger increased. I also got an extrem pump at the training session today.

After reading datb´s great thread, I now know this are the typical sides.

My question is, when my CJC1295 is modified GRF(1-29) or Sermorelin, will I have the same sides that I get from CJC1295?

Is it possible to feel the difference between CJC1295 and modified GRF(1-29) or Sermorelin?

Yes. genuine CJC feels different. It is subjective and so what applies to me won't apply to you necessarily.

For me the sleep was different at times I held more water. Puffy feet. Felt very anabolic. My morning fasted blood sugar was a bit higher. IGF-1 levels were higher so I could feel a little hypo if I didn't eat...

...all sorts of little things with the ability to put on mass being a little more noticeable.

Sermorelin? Don't know. I have a lot of native GHRH (basically the same as Sermorelin) but since I am going back on CJC that will have to wait.

squall · Jul 1, 2009

@DatBtrue

Thank you for your answer. Your thread is the ultimative GHRH & GHRP thread on the internet. Great!!

In your thread you have had written that CJC 1295 is very expensive to produce, and my CJC 1295 was really cheap. That´s the reason why i´m a little bit sceptical. But this can be ´cause i´m from europe, and european prices are different to US prices...however. I hope my CJC 1295 is good.

DatBtrue · Jul 1, 2009

squall said:
@DatBtrue

Thank you for your answer. Your thread is the ultimative GHRH & GHRP thread on the internet. Great!!

In your thread you have had written that CJC 1295 is very expensive to produce, and my CJC 1295 was really cheap. That´s the reason why i´m a little bit sceptical. But this can be ´cause i´m from europe, and european prices are different to US prices...however. I hope my CJC 1295 is good.

I'm sure it is good, meaning it is one of the forms of GHRH. It is either plain Sermorelin also known as GRF(1-29); or modified GRF(1-29) also known as CJC-1295 without the DAC ...DAC stands for "Drug Affinity Complex"; or it is genuine CJC-1295.

Then if it is genuine CJC-1295 is could be at the level of crude purity which is not sufficient for testing on animals, or it could be higher but below the level used for clinical testing on humans. The difference between crude and high purity is often twice the price.

I elaborated on the difference and their use w/ a GHRP in the following post today: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?p=600490

I described CJC & the making of it privately just yesterday. Here is some of what I said.

It is time consuming and labor intensive. There is a lot of waste in attempting to get the Lysine linker linked to the DAC. The DAC is not a peptide and it MUST be made chemically and then a regular peptide synthesizer process will not work. Most peptide synthesizers are set up to make pure peptides only, obviously.

Then the purification process involves more then one type of HPLC separation technique. To get crude CJC is one thing to get it highly purified for human consumption is another.

Then we have the cost of the raw materials. The raw materials are 10 times more expensive then GRF(1-29).

Then there is the time... you can make & purify a lot more peptides in the amount of time it takes to purify a batch of CJC.

Then there is the track record of everybody, even GL Biochem. To be blunt they are dishonest and ONLY come clean if they have to. But because modified GRF(1-29) will give a GH response no end user will ever figure out that it isn't CJC unless he knows what CJC feels like or gets it tested.

When xxxx was in the business he'd buy $xxxx to $xxxxx worth of CJC at a time and he still got screwed. It was only when yyyy independently tested the product and it turned out to be modified GRF(1-29) did xxxx's chemical house come clean.

Hell he got lucky. Some places are selling unmodified GRF(1-29) i.e. Sermorelin and calling it CJC.

It is human nature to sell something you know you can make at a higher profit rather then the more time consuming less profit item.

[REDACTED PART]

So the people that sell product know nothing about the lab part of it.

So I am having a biochemist I know make me a batch and purify it [REDACTED PART]"

mjfit · Jul 1, 2009

what is the cost of getting your product or products tested say if you were a source. my guy only offered cjc-1295 with dac it was not till I asked for the modified GRF-29 did he provide it,the two look different when I get them and the price is a $9 difference. I trust him but really you cant trust anyone

squall · Jul 1, 2009

@@DatBtrue
Thank you for all the informations!! I will take a closer look on your new post.

DatBtrue · Jul 1, 2009

mjfit said:
what is the cost of getting your product or products tested say if you were a source. my guy only offered cjc-1295 with dac it was not till I asked for the modified GRF-29 did he provide it,the two look different when I get them and the price is a $9 difference. I trust him but really you cant trust anyone

I just went back and looked at the independent analysis. It turned out to be GRF(1-29) not even modified but was sold as CJC-1295.

I'm not at liberty to discuss or disclose because it was given to me in confidence after I provided information needed for the lab to do the analysis. CJC-1295 is not really in anyone's standard reference library but the molecular weight of the Lysine linker should be available.

The cost was about $500. The lab was European.