is Hcg post cycle necessary?

[maxsupplements]

i am planning a cycel in a month of 350 test & 200mg dbol EW , i was finding all sorts of info about using Hcg post cycle along with clomid but am curious if i really need the Hcg, if im on a 12 week cycle. what sort of dosages if it is needed, and how do i use it with the clomid? do i really need the Hcg???

 

[Armageddon]

no use clomid. stay away from hcg post cycle. if you need something other than clomid try clen and or another second generation anti E with the clomid. but NO hcg

 

[Geoffke]

I would use clomid

 

[maxsupplements]

does Hcg seem to have some weird sides? use Hcg for the last week at a rate of 500iu EOD or ED? I am woried about the sides of clomid and plan on taking 50mg per day for 2 weeks, you think thats enough?

 

[Geoffke]

What I do is first day 300g,
then 10 days 100g, then 10 days 50g;

Works for me

 

[Ry Roid]

I never use HCG!

It gives me Gyno everytime and doesn't do anything that clomid can't for me.

RY

 

[drgoodbody]

I'm going to disagree with the folks here and tell you that I use hcg post-cycle and that without it, I'd have a hell of a time recovering. I just came off a 6 month cycle which ended in mid-Jan. I used a boat load of hcg for 3 weeks and then followed it up with clomid plus a bunch of other OTC supplements that supposedly help simulate natural test production and reduce SHBG. Well after a little more than a month off, I feel pretty damn normal, and I've only lost 5 lbs. Without the hcg I think my shriveled nuts would have had a very long recovery.

So I vote yes for hcg, and run an anti-e with it if you are worried about gyno.

DrG

 

[Mr_Magoo]

hcg if it is to be used should be used before you go off, not while off

 

[xcelbeyond]

Did you read this?
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1190

xcel

 

[drgoodbody]

I've read it - and don't agree with it. I've read enough studies out there about use of hcg post cycle to restore testicular function and my own experiences with it to know that it is not
counterproductive if its done smartly (low daily doses and with estrogen under control).

DrG

Here's an example study abstract:

Fertil Steril. 2003 Jun;79 Suppl 3:1659-61.

Successful treatment of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia with human chorionic gonadotropin and human menopausal gonadotropin.

Menon DK.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University Malaya Medical Centre, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: To document for the first time the successful treatment using human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and human menopausal gonadotropins (hMG) of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia that was persistent despite 1 year of cessation from steroid use. DESIGN: Clinical case report. SETTINGS: Tertiary referral center for infertility. PATIENT(S): A married couple with primary subfertility secondary to azoospermia and male hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. The husband was a bodybuilder who admitted to have used the anabolic steroids testosterone cypionate, methandrostenolone, oxandrolone, testosterone propionate, oxymetholone, nandrolone decanoate, and methenolone enanthate. INTERVENTION(S): Twice-weekly injections of 10,000 IU of hCG (Profasi; Serono) and daily injections of 75 IU of hMG (Humegon; Organon) for 3 months. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S): Semen analyses, pregnancy. RESULT(S): Semen analyses returned to normal after 3 months of treatment. The couple conceived spontaneously 7 months later. CONCLUSION(S): Steroid-induced azoospermia that is persistent after cessation of steroid use can be treated successfully with hCG and hMG.

Publication Types:
Case Reports

PMID: 12801577 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[maxsupplements]

i am leaning toward the hcg, but i guess you guys are saying take it for the last 2 weeks of my cycle? say 1000iu 2x's weekly? i kinda would like my nuts to return to halfway normal size instead of little raisins!

 

[Big A]

I only use HCG every 4 weeks, while on the cycle, to keep the nuts at a normal size.
After a cycle, Clomid all the way.
I found that HCG delays recovery if used after the cycle.

 

[Crowler]

Do any of the research supply companies that sponser this board sell HCG as a research item in the US?

 

[Coopie]

I'm still fine tuning my PCT after a decade of AS use, and what I find is most advantageous is this.... Oh, and remember what works for one person may not work well for another. We're all different!

1. I stick to very long but moderate cycles. Currently going on 1 year, but that's another story altogether...

2. I use HCG every 4 months for 3 weeks as follows: 500iu X 3 days week

3. I use Nolva w/ the HCG as follows: 40mg daily (taper for 1 more week after end of HCG)

That keeps my nuts up to size and my strength skyrockets probably as a result of the addition of natty test to the injected test.

For PCT I will use HCG towards the very end of the cycle after I've already switched to Prop so I can best judge when it will clear my system. So figure on HCG 1 week prior to ending cycle.
Then OVERLAPPING my last week on Prop I will add:
40 mg Nolva Daily for 4 weeks - then 1/2 that dose for 2 more weeks
50 mg Clomid Daily for 4 weeks - then 1/2 that dose for 2 more weeks

I also use Proviron for about 2 weeks which I feel helps ween me off the hard stuff.

 

[A50#]

I've found the most effective way to run Hcg is 300-500iu every 4-5days during the cycle.

 

[bigbaldbulldog]

I'm going to disagree with the folks here and tell you that I use hcg post-cycle and that without it, I'd have a hell of a time recovering. I just came off a 6 month cycle which ended in mid-Jan. I used a boat load of hcg for 3 weeks and then followed it up with clomid plus a bunch of other OTC supplements that supposedly help simulate natural test production and reduce SHBG. Well after a little more than a month off, I feel pretty damn normal, and I've only lost 5 lbs. Without the hcg I think my shriveled nuts would have had a very long recovery.

So I vote yes for hcg, and run an anti-e with it if you are worried about gyno.

DrG

I am with you on this one bro...i use 2500iu's HCG every 5 days for 4 shots half way through a cycle then again at the end..i do 100mgs clomid ED for 2 weeks mid-cycle as well as at the end....it is hte best system i have ever used in 17 years of cycling...JMO..this works for me very well very very well infact!!