Is there anything that will perk up a tired little old lady?

[Newman]

Hi ladies.

I know a sweet little old lady who is in her eighties & could use something to perk her up some. She's feeling her age...

Obviously some HGH would likely help her, but unfortunately I don't think that's available where she lives.

Are there any ladies here who know female endocrinology enough to recomend something relatively mild/safe?

Loss of fertility is a non existant risk at her age, so maybe moderately higher doses MAY benefit her? (I honestly don't know) Also, since she's post menopausal there isn't really a huge threat of masculinization either. I'm not saying androgens won't do the usual things to her, all I'm saying is that she's not looking to hit the singles clubs too soon, so mild masculinization may not be a huge threat as long as whatever product she uses actually improves the quality of her life. Nothing a bit of shaving cream & a razor can't cure anyway. It's not like she's suddenly going to join the East German ladies powerlifting tean from a little Var or whatever...

Because of their weakly anabolic effects, highly androgenic products like Proviron are likely useless for her. I'm unaware of whether women's bodies have the 5-alpha amylase enzyme & are capable of converting testosterone to estrogen like men do? If so, would a mild dose of exogenous testosterone be a viable substitute for ERT?

I'm sure this will likely read like the idiot post of the year, but this little old lady lives in an undeveloped country where AAS are more likely to be available than legit doctor prescribed HRT meds, so that's the only reason why I'm even considering recomending any of the typical AAS products to her.

If this post looks weird, please don't flame me, I'm only trying to help a little old lady who's worked very hard to raise a large family in a poor country. She deserves far better than she's gotten in life.

If there ACTUALLY IS anything anyone might think to be beneficial to her, please remember that there isn't much technical health care infrastructure near her, so even something commonly routine like getting a thyroid test, cholesterol test, or a hormone test done isn't likely to be available. I'm just hoping that maybe something simple & safe can help her strength, energy & feelings of well being. It has to be something that doesn't require frequent/regular testing.

I once sent her a bottle of expensive top quality BB vitamins, but she had difficulty swallowing them & digesting them. I think they were too strong for her because she had heartburn or something & had to stop taking them.

Anyway, so far, I think that MAYBE the following products might be helpful in low doses: Anavar, Primobolan, Deca & of course Test E.

Any useful input?

 

[DrivingForward]

If shes post-menopausal, she might consider EstraTest or EstraTest HS (half strength).

Knew a woman at about 45, she had a hysterectomy, but took the EstraTest. She looked phenominal, and was so horny it was almost predatory!

I believe they make a generic... worth a look? Probably safer than Anavar and more along the lines of the hormones that a woman needs.

 

[Newman]

Thanks. The only problem is that I think the only hormonal "meds" available in her area are athletic performance enhancers.

Would low dose AAS be at all useful? I mean, I know that HRT beats TRT (for women), but I don't know if her body can break down exogenous test into estradiol?

Thanks again.

 

[Amazon Doll]

HRT for an older woman self administering can be about 10mg test a week, that is enough to get the test level back up to about 70. Any more than that will cause sides. Any conversion to estrogen is an added benefit.

The info is out there on various boards but very sporatic.

 

[gin]

Newman, I don't think you should give her anything.
If I'm not missatken you said she is in her 80's.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass but at her age she should not take anything without a docs aprooval. (Natural or not)
At the age of 80, if we live that long, we will feel our age too.
Let me know what you think.

 

[Amazon Doll]

If I was 80, I would hope someone young stud would give me a shot!

its not like all of us run to a Doc and say we want bigger muscles and better sex.........you all go online and by gear , viagra and cialis only after speaking with a doc?

I work with old rich folks and can't believe none of them are on HRT. Their Doc won't tell them and they don't listen to me because I don't have a fancy office.

 

[punjabipunjab]

lol

 

[DrivingForward]

HRT for an older woman self administering can be about 10mg test a week, that is enough to get the test level back up to about 70. Any more than that will cause sides. Any conversion to estrogen is an added benefit.

The info is out there on various boards but very sporatic.

What about 10mg of Test + Birth control pills?

That would be test plus estrogen and progesterone right? Both should be available in a 3rd world country.

 

[gin]

If I was 80, I would hope someone young stud would give me a shot!

its not like all of us run to a Doc and say we want bigger muscles and better sex.........you all go online and by gear , viagra and cialis only after speaking with a doc?

I work with old rich folks and can't believe none of them are on HRT. Their Doc won't tell them and they don't listen to me because I don't have a fancy office.

are you listening to yourself?
why would you encourage someone to give an 80 years old person any drugs?
how do you know if that is the right thing to do? how do you know that just by giving your opinion on dosages she would be fine?
what if she crokes after taking the shit that was recomended here?
and no it's not like all of us run to the doc to get the ok to buy roids, but there is a difference between people who are still at a reasonable age. Not 80... the old folks you are working with (WHO ARE DIRT RICH) maybe don't wanna take your advise because they lived long enough to know not to fuck with their bodies at a certain age, not cause you don't have a fancy office... but maybe because you don't have the right knowledge.

 

[Amazon Doll]

I know exactly what I am saying.

I am saying we all have options and those options don't change just because we get older.

Knowlege is the key and that is what we are doing here, kicking around ideas.

I generally refrain from holding down unwitting old folks and say "here, this will make you better" Though I have turned some folks on to Longevity Clinics that charge $1200. per month for stuff we by online for a few hundred. Personally I don't think they should sell donuts and pastries to old folks (have you seeen how much of that stuff they live on?) So who am I to say what should or should not be done, but I can give my opinion

 

[maldorf]

are you listening to yourself?
why would you encourage someone to give an 80 years old person any drugs?
how do you know if that is the right thing to do? how do you know that just by giving your opinion on dosages she would be fine?
what if she crokes after taking the shit that was recomended here?
and no it's not like all of us run to the doc to get the ok to buy roids, but there is a difference between people who are still at a reasonable age. Not 80... the old folks you are working with (WHO ARE DIRT RICH) maybe don't wanna take your advise because they lived long enough to know not to fuck with their bodies at a certain age, not cause you don't have a fancy office... but maybe because you don't have the right knowledge.

Ive got to agree 100% here. This lady is 80 years old and you have no idea of what kind of health issues she has, what conditions. Anyone that age is going to have some issues of some kind. Treating an 80 year old woman with steroids is just asking for trouble. One of the things I would be concerned about is how it might raise her hematocrit/hemoglobin too high and/or cause a blood clot. I had a blood clot/heart attack while using and I was only 38 years old. Treating someone this age is just plain dangerous. Most docs wont treat a woman that age with HRT, estrogen, because of the risks.

 

[Newman]

are you listening to yourself?
why would you encourage someone to give an 80 years old person any drugs?
how do you know if that is the right thing to do? how do you know that just by giving your opinion on dosages she would be fine?
what if she crokes after taking the shit that was recomended here?
and no it's not like all of us run to the doc to get the ok to buy roids, but there is a difference between people who are still at a reasonable age. Not 80... the old folks you are working with (WHO ARE DIRT RICH) maybe don't wanna take your advise because they lived long enough to know not to fuck with their bodies at a certain age, not cause you don't have a fancy office... but maybe because you don't have the right knowledge.

I never started this thread with a preconcieved plan cast in concrete & looking for everyone to simply agree to make me feel better.

I certainly knew both the "for" & "against" camps would emerge.
What I had hoped for was rational technically sound dialogue, not over emotional drivel.

You can either make a technical argument to back your trip or else you can expect to have your further opinions on this thread to be heavilly discounted.

Here's a hint: "What if she croaks" isn't a technical argument...

 

[Newman]

Newman, I don't think you should give her anything.
If I'm not missatken you said she is in her 80's.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass but at her age she should not take anything without a docs aprooval. (Natural or not)
At the age of 80, if we live that long, we will feel our age too.
Let me know what you think.

I accept your caution, but doctors in her country are notoriously incompetant. Some are excellent, while most are less than worthless.

Here's an example: Her second eldest daughter spoke with her GP to get a referral for getting her tubes tied. (age 50 ish at the time) The "doctor" told her that because she had already had 7 kids, that it was biologically impossible for her to concieve again!

That mysogenistic prick was likely tipped off by her caveman husband and lied to her on purpose to keep her barefoot & pregnant. Her latest kid is about 2 years old...

Think practical combat medicine & reedeeming the remaining "golden years" with a reasonable quality of life... She deserves better. If I had the extra cash, I'd bring her here to the 1st world, but I know she'd never leave her family behind.

 

[Newman]

I work with old rich folks and can't believe none of them are on HRT. Their Doc won't tell them and they don't listen to me because I don't have a fancy office.

One of my favourite formal scientific AAS studies involved darting little old ladies with 50mg every 2 weeks to speed connective tissue recovery. It worked fine...

 

[Newman]

Ive got to agree 100% here. This lady is 80 years old and you have no idea of what kind of health issues she has, what conditions. Anyone that age is going to have some issues of some kind. Treating an 80 year old woman with steroids is just asking for trouble. One of the things I would be concerned about is how it might raise her hematocrit/hemoglobin too high and/or cause a blood clot. I had a blood clot/heart attack while using and I was only 38 years old. Treating someone this age is just plain dangerous. Most docs wont treat a woman that age with HRT, estrogen, because of the risks.

I've got a statement & a question:


I think most docs are reluctant to prescribe HRT because they haven't got a clue. For example, even assuming most docs even know what studies have been done regarding AAS, how long have we been told that Test causes prostate cancer? Now we know that Test protects against it! The best cutting edge medical science was wrong. I think their reluctance is based on fear, ignorance & apathy.



Have you ever done clen?

 

[Newman]

I know exactly what I am saying.

I am saying we all have options and those options don't change just because we get older.

Knowlege is the key and that is what we are doing here, kicking around ideas.

I generally refrain from holding down unwitting old folks and say "here, this will make you better" Though I have turned some folks on to Longevity Clinics that charge $1200. per month for stuff we by online for a few hundred. Personally I don't think they should sell donuts and pastries to old folks (have you seeen how much of that stuff they live on?) So who am I to say what should or should not be done, but I can give my opinion

Perfect example - longevity clinics. GH in moderation reduces aging, while GH in excess causes acromegally & heart problems.

Generally the same with AAS, right? Low dose = general well being, but higher doses = sides.

 

[Newman]

What about 10mg of Test + Birth control pills?

That would be test plus estrogen and progesterone right? Both should be available in a 3rd world country.

Best post so far. I'll look into that.

Thx!

 

[gin]

After all the posts above I still don't think it's the right thing to do.
Just my opinion.
Would any of you like if I (a person who you don't know) Gave your 80 years old granma drugs? Unless you're a doctor Newman, go ahead and do your thing, but make sure you don't only look at the benefits of the drugs.
So good luck!

 

[robot]

I can see myself on hgh and test @ 80. At least I hope so. The alternative is not terribly pleasant.

 

[dewyd]

I've got a statement & a question:


I think most docs are reluctant to prescribe HRT because they haven't got a clue. For example, even assuming most docs even know what studies have been done regarding AAS, how long have we been told that Test causes prostate cancer? Now we know that Test protects against it! The best cutting edge medical science was wrong. I think their reluctance is based on fear, ignorance & apathy.



Have you ever done clen?

Although nothing to do with your original question. I think you make a valid point here in the above post, in that Eugene Shippen, M.D. in his book "Testosterone Syndrome" published some year's ago, stating that you never see anyone under 30 or so getting prostate cancer. Which pretty much speaks for itself. The only thing about T replacement is, once you start, you have to remain "ON". If "ON" too long then it is troublesome to get the natural T back on.

As far as helping the older lady, I'm sure she could benefit from some type of replacement therapy, GH for one. I think it is one of the best anti-depressants out there to improve one's quality of life when you get to a certain age. But I think a either a HRT professional Dr., Primary Care Dr., Geriatric type Dr.,or the like should be consulted before thinking of administering any such medications.

Your concern for her is well taken though. Getting old sucks, but considering administering any meds to another human being is risky business without medical supervision, could potentially put you in a legal dilemma you could potentially regret for the rest of your life. Think about it. Good luck.