Just switched to sub-q injections

[2016aldoraine]

Their own. I just switched to using an insulin syringe and injecting my testosterone sub – Q. Obviously the injections are way easier and a lot less intrusive than my typical 25 gauge 1 inch syringe for an intramuscular injection. My question is, is there any issues with absorbing from injecting sub-q?

 

[buck]

Blood tests show it is the same.

 

[2016aldoraine]

Blood tests show it is the same.

What about conversion to DHT?

 

[Johneffer]

Just will take longer to absorb and will most likely give you a big bump under the skin

 

[socialdfan]

My total and free went up going to less total mgs per week doing sub q

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[carlsjr]

Yeah, you will have a lump depending on the volume. I'll do about .4cc. If you have body fat you can get away with more.

 

[buck]

Testing shows it is absorbed at the same rate either way so any conversion should be the same. I have done at least hundreds of each way. I only get a lump sub-q with bad technique or just using a large amount. Same as IM.

 

[Kevin666]

Testing shows it is absorbed at the same rate either way so any conversion should be the same. I have done at least hundreds of each way. I only get a lump sub-q with bad technique or just using a large amount. Same as IM.

Buck - did you notice any difference in hematocrit when comparing your bloodwork using IM vs. SubQ?

 

[buck]

Buck - did you notice any difference in hematocrit when comparing your bloodwork using IM vs. SubQ?

No dose for dose it seems to be the same. There isn't any big difference. Depends on how long I go between donations.

 

[Kevin666]

No dose for dose it seems to be the same. There isn't any big difference. Depends on how long I go between donations.

Thanks, I'm still trying to determine what, if any benefits, there are to SubQ over IM.

 

[buck]

Thanks, I'm still trying to determine what, if any benefits, there are to SubQ over IM.

Not punching holes in the muscle and damaging more tissue tops the list.

 

[samson516]

Not punching holes in the muscle and damaging more tissue tops the list.

Totally agree! I've been on TRT test cyp for 8 years. First few years it was all IM injections. Then I switched docs and he said he'd been getting great results having his guys do sub-q and suggested I give it a try. I switched over to sub-q about 5 yrs ago and haven't looked back! Every blood panel I've done with sub-q has been almost identical to anything I had done with IM. And like buck said...all things being equal, the huge benefit of sub-q over IM is you're not poking hundreds/thousands of holes in your muscles.

 

[Kaladryn]

Why not go IM with a 29g 1/2" slin? You get the same effect but with lower DHT conversion (the main problem with subQ)

I don't think muscle damage from the pin is going to be problem, it's way too small.

 

[buck]

Why not go IM with a 29g 1/2" slin? You get the same effect but with lower DHT conversion (the main problem with subQ)

I don't think muscle damage from the pin is going to be problem, it's way too small.

The hole would be smaller but the bolus at the injection site would still have to disrupt the muscle tissue. I think I would prefer to disrupt the fat tissue. I have not seen any studies or large scale blood work showing DHT levels are higher with sub-q. I know it can be with transdermal. But I can't assume that those 2 would correlate to each other. Have i been missing some data out there on Sub-q and DHT?

 

[devenidas]

Why not go IM with a 29g 1/2" slin? You get the same effect but with lower DHT conversion (the main problem with subQ)

I don't think muscle damage from the pin is going to be problem, it's way too small.

What's the deal with DHT conversation mate ? Do we have any proof/ studies to back this up that its a bad idea ?

I thought doing daily sub q shots were the way to go to keep E2 conversion to a minimum. That's what the general consensus is.

I have been doing daily 50 mg test cyp sub q shots on my blast for few weeks now.

Also with sub q no scar tissue where as IM even shallow IM you have scar tissue.

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[Kaladryn]

I could be wrong about the DHT, I thought sub-q was shown to increase DHT conversion but reduce E2 conversion. I know it's true for transdermal but I can't recall for sure if it's true for subQ, but I thought I've seen evidence to support both. I'll see if I can find anything. If anyone else knows conclusively please share.

The hole would be smaller but the bolus at the injection site would still have to disrupt the muscle tissue. I think I would prefer to disrupt the fat tissue. I have not seen any studies or large scale blood work showing DHT levels are higher with sub-q. I know it can be with transdermal. But I can't assume that those 2 would correlate to each other. Have i been missing some data out there on Sub-q and DHT?

What's the deal with DHT conversation mate ? Do we have any proof/ studies to back this up that its a bad idea ?

I thought doing daily sub q shots were the way to go to keep E2 conversion to a minimum. That's what the general consensus is.

I have been doing daily 50 mg test cyp sub q shots on my blast for few weeks now.

Also with sub q no scar tissue where as IM even shallow IM you have scar tissue.

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[cecrayswole]

Not punching holes in the muscle and damaging more tissue tops the list.

And also for us bigger guys, it’s much easier to self-administer subq to the abdominal region vs needing someone else to help do im injections via delts or glutes.

 

[Iron Gator]

Switching from IM to SubQ was a great choice for me. I’ve been doing subq for about 4 years now. No negative impact at all on my testosterone levels.

Also a lifestyle improvement, because the IM shots get old after a while and I don’t notice subq at all.

 

[spartantech]

I do Test cyp subq 0.10ml EOD averages 80mg per week. I use 230mg/ml Cyp with 1.5%BA in MCT only
No issues with pip or lumps

 

[EliteWolfPak]

What if you went up to a .2 or .3