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Hello guys,
I’m new to this forum, though not new to the sport. This is the best forum, and I search it often for information and help, though this time I feel I may have to start a thread. If this is in the wrong area, please let me know.
Stats:
Age: 35
Height: 5’8”
Weight: 172
Body fat: 14.2% (some of this is water as I started at 11.8%)
Training: 5 years.
Cycling: 24 months
Hopefully with the knowledge here we can get some insight.
My first cycle was simple test cyp 350mg/wk for 12 weeks. I blew up! But, I held TONS of water. Ok, so we know to use the AI and keep bloat down, so I ran 12.5mg Aromasin eod for the entire length of the cycle. It didn’t help. I still blew up and held tons of water. My diet was very strict, and sticking to a diet is very easy for me since I don’t go out, etc. Diet is dialed in. Estrogen in labs showed 21, which I thought was acceptable, but maybe if a little lower I would lose the water. The abs grew nicely, but the water covered them, so minimal definition.
Ok, so I come off that cycle and start on TRT test at 200mg test cyp a week. I still blew up! Held tons of water. I stayed on Aromasin and estrogen went to 14, but the water would not go away. I then dropped to 80mg test cyp a week, nope, no lose in water. I then stop the test, waited 4 weeks to make sure it was out, some water did drop, and then I start 15mg prop EOD. The water came right back but not as high. Ok, I know test is test, but sometimes the ester makes a difference, and shorter esters are sometimes dryer for the individual, and for me it was a little more dry than cyp, but I was still holding bloat.
I ran more labs and estrogen stayed roughly the same at 14.
Ok, I cruise along with the prop and Aromasin (still at 12.5mg eod) and I continue to gain water. It starts to build up in my arms around the elbows, the skins starts to wrinkle and fold in the bends of the arm, my double chin that the cycle made is growing even larger, etc. Why all the water if estrogen is in range, and by this time low. Ok, so I take the plunge and pound some letrozole to see if the water would drop. I knocked my estrogen down to 3 and the water did not fall off. It didn’t get worse, but I could not lose it. I kept it like that for a month, did not lose water. Also, my kidneys all test well even with gfr at 91-97. Also, I have been drinking tons of water (about a gallon and half a day) and peeing all the time.
I stopped the letrozole, used Aromasin to prevent the rebound, and brought estrogen to 16. I stayed at 15mg prop eod and 12.5mg Aromasin for months, still gaining water, double chin larger, starting to fill in on the side of the face. I have larger water folds around the inner elbow bends of the arm, and the water has now started collecting in the bottom of the tricep area, reminds me of ladies arms, when they shake them the lower half of the upper arm wiggles, yeah it’s like that and my muscles seem to have more of a “melted” look, like the are slack.
Ok, here is the weird part, this is where it gets real weird. I deiced to run test again (prop 50mg ed I pinned more aften as means to hopefully lower estrogen), with low dose masteron, just 30mg eod. Ok, so I started and exploded! Masteron is suppose to be dyring and hardening. With me, I exploded and gained TONS of water, more than ever. Yes, the masteron was very legit.
I stopped after two weeks, and it took 6-8 weeks to lose the water. My estrogen at when coming off was 24. What can be going on with my body?
Here is a brief recap:
1.Test cyp 350mg/wk with 12.5mg Aromasin EOD = water
2.Test prop 15mg eod, with 12.5mg Aromasin eod = water
3.Test prop 15mg eod, with 2.5mg Letrozole daily = no water gain, but not water loss
4.Test prop 50mg ed, with 12.5 Aromasin eod, with 30mg Masteron eod = HUGE water
What could be happening inside my body? For some reason, any exogenous test just makes water, but my estrogen is low, even down to a 3 at times. I also find it odd because when my estrogen tests low, I have symptoms of high estrogen and low estrogen mixed. I’m naturally lean and try, but when using test, I bloat like crazy even when estrogen is low.
Any information or ideas that can be provided will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
I’m new to this forum, though not new to the sport. This is the best forum, and I search it often for information and help, though this time I feel I may have to start a thread. If this is in the wrong area, please let me know.
Stats:
Age: 35
Height: 5’8”
Weight: 172
Body fat: 14.2% (some of this is water as I started at 11.8%)
Training: 5 years.
Cycling: 24 months
Hopefully with the knowledge here we can get some insight.
My first cycle was simple test cyp 350mg/wk for 12 weeks. I blew up! But, I held TONS of water. Ok, so we know to use the AI and keep bloat down, so I ran 12.5mg Aromasin eod for the entire length of the cycle. It didn’t help. I still blew up and held tons of water. My diet was very strict, and sticking to a diet is very easy for me since I don’t go out, etc. Diet is dialed in. Estrogen in labs showed 21, which I thought was acceptable, but maybe if a little lower I would lose the water. The abs grew nicely, but the water covered them, so minimal definition.
Ok, so I come off that cycle and start on TRT test at 200mg test cyp a week. I still blew up! Held tons of water. I stayed on Aromasin and estrogen went to 14, but the water would not go away. I then dropped to 80mg test cyp a week, nope, no lose in water. I then stop the test, waited 4 weeks to make sure it was out, some water did drop, and then I start 15mg prop EOD. The water came right back but not as high. Ok, I know test is test, but sometimes the ester makes a difference, and shorter esters are sometimes dryer for the individual, and for me it was a little more dry than cyp, but I was still holding bloat.
I ran more labs and estrogen stayed roughly the same at 14.
Ok, I cruise along with the prop and Aromasin (still at 12.5mg eod) and I continue to gain water. It starts to build up in my arms around the elbows, the skins starts to wrinkle and fold in the bends of the arm, my double chin that the cycle made is growing even larger, etc. Why all the water if estrogen is in range, and by this time low. Ok, so I take the plunge and pound some letrozole to see if the water would drop. I knocked my estrogen down to 3 and the water did not fall off. It didn’t get worse, but I could not lose it. I kept it like that for a month, did not lose water. Also, my kidneys all test well even with gfr at 91-97. Also, I have been drinking tons of water (about a gallon and half a day) and peeing all the time.
I stopped the letrozole, used Aromasin to prevent the rebound, and brought estrogen to 16. I stayed at 15mg prop eod and 12.5mg Aromasin for months, still gaining water, double chin larger, starting to fill in on the side of the face. I have larger water folds around the inner elbow bends of the arm, and the water has now started collecting in the bottom of the tricep area, reminds me of ladies arms, when they shake them the lower half of the upper arm wiggles, yeah it’s like that and my muscles seem to have more of a “melted” look, like the are slack.
Ok, here is the weird part, this is where it gets real weird. I deiced to run test again (prop 50mg ed I pinned more aften as means to hopefully lower estrogen), with low dose masteron, just 30mg eod. Ok, so I started and exploded! Masteron is suppose to be dyring and hardening. With me, I exploded and gained TONS of water, more than ever. Yes, the masteron was very legit.
I stopped after two weeks, and it took 6-8 weeks to lose the water. My estrogen at when coming off was 24. What can be going on with my body?
Here is a brief recap:
1.Test cyp 350mg/wk with 12.5mg Aromasin EOD = water
2.Test prop 15mg eod, with 12.5mg Aromasin eod = water
3.Test prop 15mg eod, with 2.5mg Letrozole daily = no water gain, but not water loss
4.Test prop 50mg ed, with 12.5 Aromasin eod, with 30mg Masteron eod = HUGE water
What could be happening inside my body? For some reason, any exogenous test just makes water, but my estrogen is low, even down to a 3 at times. I also find it odd because when my estrogen tests low, I have symptoms of high estrogen and low estrogen mixed. I’m naturally lean and try, but when using test, I bloat like crazy even when estrogen is low.
Any information or ideas that can be provided will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
