Maybe all the media hype about AAS might have some truth to it

[mature muscle]

I have always thought the media was just very uneducated about gear. and if used in low does was pretty safe. (no orals) but after the last couple of weeks here with all the tragedies maybe i,m just kidding myself.

 

[maldorf]

the truth lies somewhere between what the media says and what most guys on the boards think. There is always going to be a risk. Of course the risk increases with higher doses and longer runs. Some people can tolerate more and some cant tolerate much at all. its a crap shoot IMO. If youre going to use, about all you can do is use moderation and have yourself tested physically regularly.

 

[BigCracker]

I have always thought the media was just very uneducated about gear. and if used in low does was pretty safe. (no orals) but after the last couple of weeks here with all the tragedies maybe i,m just kidding myself.

I always like to keep in mind that we are often only given some of the facts surrounding AAS user deaths. I personally know a handful of AAS users that have died over the past 20 years or so. A few of them died from insulin shock. A couple others were using lots of cocaine and booze when they had heart attacks/strokes. My 34 yr old friend died from a heart attack 2 months ago using high doses of ephedrine, clen, masteron, ten, and prop. Of course the roids get blamed every time. A lot of AAS users are closet recreational drug users as well, but they will only talk about it to others that use them too. With all of this being said, AAS are often just a portion of complications that resulted in a fatality. I'm sure genetics, diet, cardio(or lackthereof) are also a factor.

 

[MR. BMJ]

I always like to keep in mind that we are often only given some of the facts surrounding AAS user deaths. I personally know a handful of AAS users that have died over the past 20 years or so. A few of them died from insulin shock. A couple others were using lots of cocaine and booze when they had heart attacks/strokes. My 34 yr old friend died from a heart attack 2 months ago using high doses of ephedrine, clen, masteron, ten, and prop. Of course the roids get blamed every time. A lot of AAS users are closet recreational drug users as well, but they will only talk about it to others that use them too. With all of this being said, AAS are often just a portion of complications that resulted in a fatality. I'm sure genetics, diet, cardio(or lackthereof) are also a factor.

That's been my experience as well the last 15-18 years and what i've observed.

Not to dismiss any side effects from any drug, especially AAS, but the following have always been a factor for the health and life of my friends (and people) i've known:

-Tons of Pain Killers and downers
-Cocaine
-Methamphetamines (Meth + AAS = super ripped looked for many)
-alcohol
-SHITTY diets
-A mixture/combo of all the above.
-Genetic dispositions that exacerbate health problems.
-Dehydration


I've never known anybody to die just from AAS alone. Take care of yourself, eat healthy, exercise/cardio, and get health screens and blood work, and you should be fine. Check for genetic disorders, Hct, and blood pressure, etc.

BMJ

 

[GoneForever]

Sure aas can have dangers but the media has no education or correct information on any of it. You could have someone on 20mg var or on 2000mg tren and the media will still classify it the same. They are a bunch of liberal scum trying to make a buck off ruining the lives of others.

 

[Stewie Griffon]

ANY drug can be dangerous if you abuse it. some drugs are newsworthy, thats the ONLY difference.

 

[Newman]

I have always thought the media was just very uneducated about gear. and if used in low does was pretty safe. (no orals) but after the last couple of weeks here with all the tragedies maybe i,m just kidding myself.

Don't believe all the hype about Michael Jackson & Farah Fawcett being on roids. It's unsubstantiated...


(I'm obviously joking with the statement above. People die. We all will eventually. We shouldn't ignore all the old AAS using BBers & focus on the AAS using departed bros or we'll get an emotion based inaccurrate picture, rather than a coldly logical statistical picture)

 

[gridlock]

That's been my experience as well the last 15-18 years and what i've observed.

Not to dismiss any side effects from any drug, especially AAS, but the following have always been a factor for the health and life of my friends (and people) i've known:

-Tons of Pain Killers and downers
-Cocaine
-Methamphetamines (Meth + AAS = super ripped looked for many)
-alcohol
-SHITTY diets
-A mixture/combo of all the above.
-Genetic dispositions that exaggerate health problems.
-Dehydration


I've never known anybody to die just from AAS alone. Take care of yourself, eat healthy, exercise/cardio, and get health screens and blood work, and you should be fine. Check for genetic disorders, Hct, and blood pressure, etc.

BMJ

If you take a group of 1000 people. and say 30 die from heart attacks, Adult sudden death syndrome, or another natural genetic cause, it is a tragedy. however, if you take 1000 steroid users, and the same thing happens, it will always be the steroids that have caused it. this stigma will always be here.

I always like to keep in mind that we are often only given some of the facts surrounding AAS user deaths. I personally know a handful of AAS users that have died over the past 20 years or so. A few of them died from insulin shock. A couple others were using lots of cocaine and booze when they had heart attacks/strokes. My 34 yr old friend died from a heart attack 2 months ago using high doses of ephedrine, clen, masteron, ten, and prop. Of course the roids get blamed every time. A lot of AAS users are closet recreational drug users as well, but they will only talk about it to others that use them too. With all of this being said, AAS are often just a portion of complications that resulted in a fatality. I'm sure genetics, diet, cardio(or lackthereof) are also a factor.

This is definitley a big part of it, especially in the UK I find. So what people may attribute to a steroid related death, might really be down to the amount of powder they were putting up their nose. more with the younger generation who now want to have "disco" muscles so they can look good when they go out to party and get wasted. The problem is that this generation arent looking after themselves and dont want to hear of the problems if you dont. of course this could happen to them even if they werent on the gear, but when the gears there, its an easy scapegoat.

ANY drug can be dangerous if you abuse it. some drugs are newsworthy, thats the ONLY difference.

This is the real point here. If someone died from taking their Ventolin Inhaler, maybe it would get a column in a newspaper. But steroids? sheesh, that will be all over the news and will have a lot more lead on stories where so called "experts" will give you often fabricated information on what WILL happen if you take steroids. when in reality its always a maybe.

to summarise, if you have a scapegoat there for anything, it will always be suggested that it was the cause. and people love a witch-hunt.

 

[norbit09]

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[Jrizzle385]

I wouldnt blame the anabolic drugs directly.

Think about a guy who's body frame is meant to hold 170-180 lbs. Give him lots of food, drugs, and hard training to get him up to 270lbs. Now think about the strain on his body, and his heart just to support that weight. The same thing happens in cases of obesity as well. The heart simply has it's limits for the size of body it can support before you run into problems. And, frankly, our hearts should be our primary concern in all this. Any other side effects are mild in pale in comparison IMO.

 

[Moen]

the truth lies somewhere between what the media says and what most guys on the boards think. There is always going to be a risk. Of course the risk increases with higher doses and longer runs. Some people can tolerate more and some cant tolerate much at all. its a crap shoot IMO. If youre going to use, about all you can do is use moderation and have yourself tested physically regularly.

You bring too much logic to the table. My thoughts exactly and not only our thoughts but simply the truth!

 

[iprimate]

I always like to keep in mind that we are often only given some of the facts surrounding AAS user deaths. I personally know a handful of AAS users that have died over the past 20 years or so. A few of them died from insulin shock. A couple others were using lots of cocaine and booze when they had heart attacks/strokes. My 34 yr old friend died from a heart attack 2 months ago using high doses of ephedrine, clen, masteron, ten, and prop. Of course the roids get blamed every time. A lot of AAS users are closet recreational drug users as well, but they will only talk about it to others that use them too. With all of this being said, AAS are often just a portion of complications that resulted in a fatality. I'm sure genetics, diet, cardio(or lackthereof) are also a factor.

There is ample evidence that supports what you have stated:
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[patricio2626]

I wouldnt blame the anabolic drugs directly.

Think about a guy who's body frame is meant to hold 170-180 lbs. Give him lots of food, drugs, and hard training to get him up to 270lbs. Now think about the strain on his body, and his heart just to support that weight. The same thing happens in cases of obesity as well. The heart simply has it's limits for the size of body it can support before you run into problems. And, frankly, our hearts should be our primary concern in all this. Any other side effects are mild in pale in comparison IMO.

I out of my realm here in AAS discussions, but you really think that a muscular 270 lbs is just as bad on the heart (weight alone, discounting hypertention, high hematocrit, etc.) as being morbidly obese?

 

[617ricky]

I out of my realm here in AAS discussions, but you really think that a muscular 270 lbs is just as bad on the heart (weight alone, discounting hypertention, high hematocrit, etc.) as being morbidly obese?

No way can it be as unhealthy as if you were morbidly obese, but being 270 lbs is definitely putting much more of a workload on your heart and other systems, compared to if you were 170 lbs.. And also as was pointed out - it's gonna be worse if the person's natural frame was only meant to hold 170 lbs, and they were 270, as opposed to them naturally being alot bigger, thus having the body systems that are designed for the larger workload..

 

[dragonfire101]

No way can it be as unhealthy as if you were morbidly obese, but being 270 lbs is definitely putting much more of a workload on your heart and other systems, compared to if you were 170 lbs.. And also as was pointed out - it's gonna be worse if the person's natural frame was only meant to hold 170 lbs, and they were 270, as opposed to them naturally being alot bigger, thus having the body systems that are designed for the larger workload..

YES.... A lot of the studies go by BMI so regardless if your fat or muscular they are using BMI.In addition there are studies out lower calorie diets promote life extension etc. Something a bodybuilder who needs to maintain a high body weight does not follow.

 

[patricio2626]

YES.... A lot of the studies go by BMI so regardless if your fat or muscular they are using BMI.In addition there are studies out lower calorie diets promote life extension etc. Something a bodybuilder who needs to maintain a high body weight does not follow.

Right, I've read that one idea why VLC diets work is that the cells can't multiply as quickly, staving off cancers. Of course, BMI is questionable to me, and seems meant only for 'average' people with 'average' frames that don't work out (muscle = bad for you???). If I'm a muscular BMI=35 (which I'm not, lol), is my incidence of CHF, diabetes, cancer, etc., really higher than that of a skinny/fat person with a lower BMI?

 

[dragonfire101]

Right, I've read that one idea why VLC diets work is that the cells can't multiply as quickly, staving off cancers. Of course, BMI is questionable to me, and seems meant only for 'average' people with 'average' frames that don't work out (muscle = bad for you???). If I'm a muscular BMI=35 (which I'm not, lol), is my incidence of CHF, diabetes, cancer, etc., really higher than that of a skinny/fat person with a lower BMI?

My theory is doesn't matter if your 270 ripped or 270 fat, it will lead to other problems such as sleep apnea, which in turn will increase hematocrit, and put stress on the heart and other systems of the body so you can't rule them out as the other poster wanted too.

They go hand in hand.

 

[iprimate]

YES.... A lot of the studies go by BMI so regardless if your fat or muscular they are using BMI.In addition there are studies out lower calorie diets promote life extension etc. Something a bodybuilder who needs to maintain a high body weight does not follow.

You can't generalise a conclusion based on BMI to somebody that is obese according to the BMI but is only carrying 10% body fat. Weight per se isn't the problem[1]. The problem is adiposity, especially abdominal adiposity[2]. Abdominal adiposity is associated with a slew of adverse events including hypertension, diabetes and colon cancer.

The BMI was derived by sampling from a normally distributed population i.e. most people with BMI > 30 are fat fuckers[3]. Bodybuilders are atypical in that they carry a relatvively high LBM and a relatively low BF% -- they are on the tail ends of the normal distribution (which tail depends on whether you are measuring BF or LBM). BMI is innacurate in predicting adiposity for anyone that is somatically atypical.[4][5][6]

The issue of caloric intake and longevity is an altogether different matter.

 

[mature muscle]

My theory is doesn't matter if your 270 ripped or 270 fat, it will lead to other problems such as sleep apnea, which in turn will increase hematocrit, and put stress on the heart and other systems of the body so you can't rule them out as the other poster wanted too.

They go hand in hand.

weight is weight your body still is working harder to carry it around. but you are more conditioned to hold it i think. and it also depends on how fast you put it their and if you are doing cardio to help your body adjust to it.i did not bring this discussion up to defend the media in any way .but our life style around here lately has been taking quit a hit just makes you think a little more that's all.

 

[BigCracker]

There is ample evidence that supports what you have stated:
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Wow.