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March 6, 2012 — A recent study has shown that in patients receiving testosterone, dutasteride (Avodart, GlaxoSmithKline) did not blunt the hormone's effects on muscle mass.

Shalender Bhasin, MD, professor of medicine at Boston University School of Medicine in Massachusetts, and colleagues report the results of their study in the March 7 issue of JAMA.

Dutasteride is a 5-α reductase inhibitor that is used to treat benign prostatic hypertrophy and androgenic alopecia. It works by inhibiting the conversion of testosterone to α-dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

Dr. Bhasin and colleagues conducted the 5α-Reductase Trial, a parallel-group, double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial of 139 healthy men, aged 18 to 50 years, with normal testosterone levels.

Patients either were assigned to receive 1 of 4 testosterone enanthate doses (50, 125, 300, or 600 mg/week) plus dutasteride or were assigned to 1 of 4 groups that were given 1 of 4 testosterone enanthate doses (50, 125, 300, or 600 mg/week) plus placebo for 20 weeks.

Change in fat-free mass from baseline, as measured by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry, was the primary outcome. The researchers also measured testosterone levels, muscle strength, sexual function, and sebum production and acne.

"The investigators performed a meticulously designed and executed study to answer an almost 5-decades-old question: are testosterone, DHT, or both in physiological and supraphysiological levels important in the gain of lean body mass?" writes Ugis Gruntmanis, MD, from the University of Texas, Southwestern Medical Center, in Dallas, and the Dallas Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Texas, in an accompanying editorial.

Testosterone Levels

Total and free testosterone increased with testosterone administration in all groups, and there were no statistically significant differences between the groups. Among participants in the testosterone enanthate plus dutasteride groups, the mean testosterone level was 519 ng/dL (95% confidence interval [CI], 378 - 660 ng/dL) for 50 mg/week, 895 ng/dL (95% CI, 616 - 1173 ng/dL) for 125 mg/week, 1706 ng/dL (95% CI, 1341 - 2071 ng/dL) for 300 mg/week, and 3898 ng/dL (95% CI, 3089 - 4708 ng/dL) for 600 mg/week.

Among participants in the testosterone enanthate plus placebo groups, the mean testosterone level was 385 ng/dL (95% CI, 261 - 508 ng/dL) for 50 mg/week, 822 ng/dL (95% CI, 658 - 986 ng/dL) for 125 mg/week, 1702 ng/dL (95% CI, 1201 - 2203 ng/dL) for 300 mg/week, and 3578 ng/dL (95% CI, 2876 - 4279 ng/dL) for 600 mg/week.

Fat-Free Mass

There was a dose-dependent increase in fat-free mass and lean body mass in the dutasteride and placebo groups. Fat-free mass changes were related to testosterone dose and changes in testosterone concentrations in the dutasteride and placebo groups, but there were no differences between groups. The changes in fat-free mass were related to testosterone dose and changes in testosterone concentrations in the placebo and dutasteride groups, but did not differ between groups; the dose-adjusted mean difference (placebo minus dutasteride) in fat-free mass was 0.50 kg (95% CI, −0.22 to 1.22 kg; P = .18).

There was a negative relationship between changes in fat mass and testosterone dose and concentrations, but there were no significant differences between the placebo and dutasteride groups in the relationship between change in fat mass and dose (P = .41).

Muscle Strength

In the placebo and dutasteride groups, there was a dose-dependent increase in leg-press and chest-press strength. These increases were greater with larger doses and higher concentrations of testosterone, with no differences in relationships found between the placebo and dutasteride groups.

Sexual Function

Sexual function was not significantly related to testosterone dose or testosterone concentrations during treatment, and did not differ significantly between placebo and dutasteride groups.

Prostate Volumes and Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA) Level

There was no significant relationship between prostate volumes and PSA level and either testosterone dose or concentration, and there were no significant differences in prostate volume and PSA level between the placebo and dutasteride groups.

Sebum Production and Acne

Only serum production in the forehead area (not on the nose or back) was related to testosterone dose, and there were no differences between the placebo and dutasteride groups.

Laboratory Tests

Hemoglobin and hematocrit levels increased dose-dependently in the placebo and dutasteride groups. Changes in hemoglobin and hematocrit levels were significantly related to changes in testosterone concentrations, but did not differ significantly between the groups.

Total cholesterol and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol changes were negatively related to dose, but there were no significant differences between the groups.

Serum NTx (collagen-type I N-telopeptides) and osteocalcin levels did not change in either the placebo or the dutasteride groups.

The overall frequency of adverse events was similar in both the placebo and dutasteride groups.

Dutasteride Okay to Take With Testosterone

"[T]he inhibition of testosterone's conversion to DHT by dutasteride had no significant effect on the ability of testosterone to exert its effects on muscle mass and strength, sexual function, erythropoiesis, plasma lipid levels, prostate volume, and sebum production," write the authors. "Instead, over the range of testosterone concentrations that were achieved (and which spanned the entire physiological male range and extended well into the subphysiological and supraphysiological range for men), testosterone was able to subserve all androgen-dependent functions that were studied herein, including maintenance of prostate volumes, PSA levels, and sebum production."

They add, "Even under these conditions of suppressed circulating and intraprostatic DHT concentrations induced by a high-dose dutasteride regimen, prostate volumes and PSA levels were maintained by testosterone doses administered in this trial."

"The main clinical message...is that for patients receiving exogenous testosterone, the gain in muscle mass was not affected by concurrent 5α-reductase inhibition," writes Dr. Gruntmanis in the editorial. "Because the study was not powered to detect differences in other clinically important outcomes, conclusions regarding changes in fat mass, muscle strength, hematocrit level, sebum production, or serum lipid levels resulting from these drugs cannot be definitively made. Future studies should address these important secondary outcomes, and by doing so, will provide clinicians with additional useful information to better understand the risks and benefits of 5α-reductase inhibition and testosterone replacement therapy," he concludes.
 
My HRT doc prescibes me avodart to keep my DHT levels at bay...they are normally too high because I use transdermal test. It has the positive side effect of helping control hair loss. FYI I use it only once every 3 weeks.
 
avodart is way too strong of a dht inhibitor. It almost completely stops all dht production in the body.

I'm glad i gave up my hair and dont touch avodart or finasteride.
 
Anything that helps me keep some hair while cycling I'm all for! I was planning on just using some nizoral shampoo
 
Ive had goodluck using 5mg proscar tabs split into 4pcs (1.25mg). I take 1.25mg ed or eod and use Nizoral shampoo ed.
 
last 6 months for me and im happy....had a full blown prostrate exam after telling the doc about my weak stream and always having the urges to piss...everything came back normal. Finasteride took all that away. And Ive had no side affects so far.

finasteride for the last five years, wife is happy, i'm happy...
 
I was shedding like mad back in fenruary and march, I actually started using Crew hair recovery formula, & serum. My hair stays put now and theres actually new growth at the root level.
 
I was taking up to 2.5mg dut and 10mg fin everyday whilst blasting and cruising for 10 months last year and that was using up to 1800mg test ew and stacked with tren at various times, my hair is denser now than it was before and have never suffered any sides, not even a low libido after coming off! :)
 
if you run dutast during cycle and quit after would it be worst on hair?

No not worse, but your hair loss would resume at it's natural rate of loss when the dutasteride dropped out of your system, as it has a half life of 4-5 weeks, so depending on what dose you wanted to use and for what duration, you may be better off using finasteride if you plan to come off within a short time of starting, ie a short cycle followed by pct/recovery, for trt dutas would be better, for blasting and cruising at high doses - dutas and fina would be better still, more bang for buck.

dutasteride half life (4-5 weeks) - Update on the use of dutasteride in the management of benign prostatic hypertrophy
finasteride half life (4-7 hours) - Clinical pharmacokinetics and pharmacodyn... [Clin Pharmacokinet. 1996] - PubMed - NCBI
 
500mg/day of green tea extract has stopped my hair from falling out.
 
500mg/day of green tea extract has stopped my hair from falling out.

Are you serious? I've never heard of this for treatment. I usually use Nizoral EOD and 1mg of finasteride EOD. Slowed the hair loss down but hasn't stopped it.
 
I've been using caffeine shampoo and it has been helping me A LOT!

Weird thing is that during my cycle I didn't have hair loss but as soon as I started my PCT my back broke out(it was like acne war) and my hair loss increased dramatically!!!!

I don't get it but it happened.

I'm not going to lie...I get more complements and girls hitting on me because of my hair rather than my muscles...it's sad and weird at the same time. I'll be a ugly mother fucker if I go bald.
 

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