Nolvadex or arimidex for high estradiol?

[Mega me]

I am on 200mgs test +200mgs tren per week and have trouble with erections and ejaculation.

My blood tests show:

• estradiol, ultrasensitive 127 LC/MS (high)
• prolactin 11.7 (normal)

Based on these numbers, I think I need to start an anti-estrogen. Would 0,5mg arimidex every three days or 20mgs nolvadex every day be better?

 

[Mega me]

Also my BP is high (140/80)

 

[hevi-head]

I prefer adex. It’s an anti aromatase while nolva is a serm.

 

[danieltx]

In your last thread on this topic I told you the issue was testosterone-estrogen balance. You and others didn't like that, they said the answer was your prolactin is high and you should add cabergoline, Cialis, more testosterone, proviron, and even masteron. I hope you're learning who the valuable minds are here.

Amount of anti-estrogen is a very individual thing and the only way to know for sure that what you're doing works is bloodwork. That said, libido and erection quality tend to be great proxies for testosterone-estrogen balance so if those things get back to normal you're likely good. Some guys need anti-estrogen every day, others only twice a week. I think starting with 0.5mg arimidex every 3 days is a good plan.

 

[heavyhitter]

Nolva is a serm. It’s mostly used to combat gyno. Arimidex is an anti e and it what you need.

 

[Mega me]

In your last thread on this topic I told you the issue was testosterone-estrogen balance.

Thanks. What is the optimal testosterone-estrogen ratio i should target?

My testosterone total, ms is currently 1634 ng/dL

 

[cage99]

Also my BP is high (140/80)

Do you do any sort of cardio?

Cage

 

[Dp]

I like arimidex to fit my needs

 

[slesh]

Is this your first time running gear? Listen to @danieltx. No clue why you would ever run Nolvadex in this situation. Me personally, I never let my E2 get above 40-50 no matter if I’m on TRT or a gram of Test. I respond terribly to high E2.

 

[nothuman]

Wow, some terrible replies so far. No offense guys, but if you're going to give him advice on a delicate subject like this, you should know that trenbolone creates a falsely elevated estradiol on a blood test.

It would be a poor decision to start an AI on only 200mg of testosterone. Do not just blindly treat your numbers in this case.

The correct thing to do would be not to take either an AI or nolvadex.

 

[Mega me]

Wow, some terrible replies so far. No offense guys, but if you're going to give him advice on a delicate subject like this, you should know that trenbolone creates a falsely elevated estradiol on a blood test.

I did not know this and don't recall reading it before. Why does tren create a falsely elevated blood test?

It would be a poor decision to start an AI on only 200mg of testosterone. Do not just blindly treat your numbers in this case.

The correct thing to do would be not to take either an AI or nolvadex.

I am trying to treat my symptoms—erectile disfunction. The high estradiol looked like the most likely cause, which is why I was asking about an AI and nolvadex. If I don't take AI or nolvadex, how do I treat the symptoms?

Thanks for your help.

 

[slesh]

Woul

Wow, some terrible replies so far. No offense guys, but if you're going to give him advice on a delicate subject like this, you should know that trenbolone creates a falsely elevated estradiol on a blood test.

It would be a poor decision to start an AI on only 200mg of testosterone. Do not just blindly treat your numbers in this case.

The correct thing to do would be not to take either an AI or nolvadex.

Would like to learn more about this as well. Do you have any publications? Not sure I understand the “falsely” part. If your blood has elevated E2 then it should mean your E2 is elevated and you’re exposed to the potential sides.

 

[Bleed]

If youre running tren, it can blow up the standard estrogen test. The sensitive E2 test is probably the one to get to know if your E2 is high and the tren isnt giving a false reading.

I dont have any publications or studies but there are quite a few anecdotes of tren having this affect.

Woul

Would like to learn more about this as well. Do you have any publications? Not sure I understand the “falsely” part. If your blood has elevated E2 then it should mean your E2 is elevated and you’re exposed to the potential sides.

 

[phoenix2]

He has done the ultrasensitive estradiol test, so it's not a false high e2 reading. To the OP, start with low dose of an AI (arimidex or aromasin), like 0.5 mg of anastrozole mon/wen/fry or 12.5 mg eod of aromasin (taken with a fatty meal). Then after 2 weeks asses how you feel and/or do bloods again. Tamoxifen in your situation is totally useless. Tamoxifen is a SERM and doesn't do shit to lower estradiol levels. It only prevents that e2 binds to estrogen receptors in certain sites, like mammary glands. You need to bring your estradiol down, but not too low. Your prolactin is ok, no needs to mess with dopamine agonists.

 

[heavyhitter]

Woul

Would like to learn more about this as well. Do you have any publications? Not sure I understand the “falsely” part. If your blood has elevated E2 then it should mean your E2 is elevated and you’re exposed to the potential sides.

It’s due to the type of test being performed. The non sensitive test picks up tren as e2. You would need the ultra sensitive to truly know your e2 when running tren

 

[heavyhitter]

He has done the ultrasensitive estradiol test, so it's not a false high e2 reading. To the OP, start with low dose of an AI (arimidex or aromasin), like 0.5 mg of anastrozole mon/wen/fry or 12.5 mg eod of aromasin (taken with a fatty meal). Then after 2 weeks asses how you feel and/or do bloods again. Tamoxifen in your situation is totally useless. Tamoxifen is a SERM and doesn't do shit to lower estradiol levels. It only prevents that e2 binds to estrogen receptors in certain sites, like mammary glands. You need to bring your estradiol down, but not too low. Your prolactin is ok, no needs to mess with dopamine agonists.

This. He had the sensitive test so this is his true e2 reading. Hence why I mentioned he needed adex and not nolva earlier

 

[Mega me]

Thanks guys. Would the AI also help with high blood pressure?

 

[heavyhitter]

Thanks guys. Would the AI also help with high blood pressure?

It’s possible if the blood pressure is related to water retention, but other than that probably not

 

[jaxino]

I am on 200mgs test +200mgs tren per week and have trouble with erections and ejaculation.

My blood tests show:

• estradiol, ultrasensitive 127 LC/MS (high)
• prolactin 11.7 (normal)

Based on these numbers, I think I need to start an anti-estrogen. Would 0,5mg arimidex every three days or 20mgs nolvadex every day be better?

I would drop completely Tren, put your E2 levels around 40-50pg/ml by using an AI (Adex or Aromasin), THEN and only THEN, add Tren or whatever AAS you want to use.

Having high E2 and adding a progestinic drug can add even more sides to the table, that's why i would drop Tren asap.

 

[astrosfan123]

depending on how toxic we think ai's really are, i have trialed ED test shots and it brought my estro down significantly just changing frequency and didnt need an ai

On that note, i know the victor black model and lower dose models say to go as much test as possible without the need for an ai. In those models that means they push typically primo or mast up into the 800-1000 per week range with test capped at 300-400 for most people. My question is, is pushing up those into the 800-1000 range with other drugs really that much safer than just using an 1mg adex a week and having test higher?