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Non existant sex drive after long cycle.

TeamPunishment

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Hello guys

Just wondering if you guys could give me some advice on this, been searching on the site for situations similar to mine, but can't find anything exact. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

A bit about myself firstly. Im 26 years old, 5'7", 182 pounds, and around 16% body fat. Since i was 22, I have been on six cycles. The first 2 were both sust for 12 weeks @ 250mg. The next 2 were sust for 12 weeks at 500mg. The last 2 were slightly longer cycles, which i think might have caused me these problems. The 5th cycle was test prop for 16 weeks at 700mg, and the same for the sixth. With the previous four cycles, pct was good 1 week of clomid at 150 mga day, 3 weeks at 50mg a day, and left 12 weeks at least in between cycles. But pct after the fifth one was 2 weeks at best, then pretty much jumped straight into the sixth cycle, as I wanted to cut up for holiday.

I'm in a long term relationship at the moment, and I noticed during the 5th and 6th cycle that my sex drive wasn't as high as it used to be. Was a task to get aroused, and the slightest off thought would result in totally losing my hardness. Cialis helped ... for a while. Felt like I was becoming dependant on it, as I needed up to 3 at times. Now my sex drive is worse than ever, which is obviously worrying as I don't want to cause any problems. A couple of times now I haven't risen to the occasion. Wondering what supplements I could take to restore my drive. I was wondering whether to run high dose of clomid, like an extra long PCT for about 6-8 weeks, with some HCG and some natural herbs like ginseng and supplement to improve blood flow. Was planning on doing another prop cycle before the new year to help keep muscle whilst getting rid of body fat, but the most important thing to me at the moment is getting my sexual desire and sex life back on track. Hate feeling like this at the moment. At 26 i should be in my prime, but it seems like I have zero desire, and the moment I am up for it, I keep on thinking "god I hope i can keep this up", which of course, results in my boy failing on me!

Sorry for the long rant, if anyone at all as had these problems before and can help, I would be in their debt. Thanks so much for all who took the time to read this/ Take care.
 

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worst thing you are doing is getting anxious about not rising to occaision. try your best to get over that.
i don't know what to tell you but i really think it might be a good time to think about not messing with your hormones. you are experiencing just one of the many possible side effects that AAS use can cause. if i was in your shoes and only done 6 cycles i would get out of the game and get my mojo back and never look back.
i know that doesnt help you much but some things to consider.
good luck bro! try not to stress it just makes it worse.
-Js
 

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not to be a dick, but does this really surprise you? if i were you, i would get off with no plans to get back on, and get on a diet like the mountain dog diet or something similar, with a lot of healthy saturated fats.

DONT STOP LIFTING.

then i would get some massive g's test booster from trueprotein with D aspartic acid in it, and tribulus turrestris. in fact, that is what i am going to be doing soon.

good luck to you.
 

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Bro, you have my sympathy. I have been there and it's no fun at all. Here are a few things I would suggest. Please take them at face value and do your own research before implementing any drug protocols;

I think what did it for you was to jump on your last cycle real quick before you fully recovered. I also don't think (again, this is my personal opinion), clomid and nolva are enough for a full PCT. You need HCG and HMG. Do a research on those. Also, I don't think a long PCT (6-8 weeks) like you mentioned is necessary; you can keep it to 4 weeks. I strongly suggest a thorough PCT kickstarted with HCG and HMG running nolva and clo concomitantly. Having said that, I strongly suggest that you go see a doctor specializing in hypogonadism. Of course, take all the advice from the veteran bros on this forum but still seek professional advice.

Also, I don't know the extent of your relationship but you can tell your girl the reason why you have zero sex desire if she is understanding. That's what I did and it took a big load off my shoulders. She showed a lot of support and understanding which helped a lot. Sexual performance issues are like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Once you start having problems, you wonder if it is gonna happen again and so it happens again.

Best of luck, bro.
 

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Humanofort

Humanofort helps me.Six pills ed for about six weeks
 

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Lay off the hormones, and get yourself some MT2 for the time being, it really gives u drive, desire, and hard dick. I know its another drug to add to the list, but its not hormonal and it works. While youre running MT2, hop on some natural test boosters.
 

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Have you had any bloodwork taken at all? Although those aren't overly high amounts, it looks like you did nothing to control estrogen at all during your cycles? Even at 500 mgs of test week there could be a fair amount of aromitization. Should have probably run an AI or preferably aromasin or else another inhibitor (arimidex, even ATD) . After a cycle your test levels drop quick as the supplemental test clears your body. During this time estrogen mainly estradiol stays higher which results in delayed recovery of natural test. That is why it is better to control estrogen while on so you can both prevent estrogen related sides while on , but possibly more importantly to enable the body to recover faster when off.

I would guess most of your problems are estrogen related but it's always good to get a few opinions.
 
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Well kid, we all have been down that road, myself I am 46 and have been cycling for close to 15 years. You live and learn. Your natural test is shut down right now, Because of not having enough time in between cycles or poor PCT. I would definitely run another full PCT. A couple of guys already gave you good advise. I would do 1250 IUs of HCG every 5th day for 3 weeks, take 10 mgs of dbal first thing in the morning on empty stomach, you'll be surprised how much that helps to restore natural test, 20 mgs of Nolva in morning ,20 mgs early evening. And in your case I would try 25 mgs of proviron twice a day, this always helped me when that happened. One more thing, if you can get a hold of some GH and do 3 IUs a day, 4 days on , 2 days off, this will increase the effects of all the other compounds. I know it sounds like a lot , this would cover all the bases kid. Good luck and God bless you. Minister.
 

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HUMANOFORT

I loved humanofort!!! where can you still buy it?
 

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[QUOTE=minister;865188]Well kid, we all have been down that road, myself I am 46 and have been cycling for close to 15 years. You live and learn. Your natural test is shut down right now, Because of not having enough time in between cycles or poor PCT. I would definitely run another full PCT. A couple of guys already gave you good advise. I would do 1250 IUs of HCG every 5th day for 3 weeks, take 10 mgs of dbal first thing in the morning on empty stomach, you'll be surprised how much that helps to restore natural test, 20 mgs of Nolva in morning ,20 mgs early evening. And in your case I would try 25 mgs of proviron twice a day, this always helped me when that happened. One more thing, if you can get a hold of some GH and do 3 IUs a day, 4 days on , 2 days off, this will increase the effects of all the other compounds. I know it sounds like a lot , this would cover all the bases kid. Good luck and God bless you. Minister.[/QUOTE]

My post starts hear, the above was quote by Minister. Not sure what happened to the way it was separated.



Not trying start an argument.lol. I agree on the hcg and nolva, but that doesn't address the problem of circulating estrogens. Also , I don't see how 10 mgs dbol will help restore his natural test. I understand how it may make him feel better as it acts as a test replacement, but dbol if anything would prolong his recovery and even at 10 mgs can still aromatize. Again, if there is info out there backing that up and I would never say anything is impossible, I would like to hear it.

M suggestion would be to use the hcg and nolva as stated by Minister, leave out the dbol, add a aromasin or other AI starting immediately , dosage dependant on the AI used. While sex dive will probably be low for awhile try dhea 50 mgs day. DHEA could theoretically slow recovery , but I have not had that experience. DHEA doesn't do much for strength, but I definitely notice a boost in sex drive. At 50 mgs there shouldn't be an issue with aromatization especially since you would be using an AI anyway.

If all else fails you could go back on test only at 100-200 mgs week for 6-8 weeks and do a proper pct. This time use hcg at 500 iu every 5 days through out along with aromasin. Sometimes this works best because mentally you will feel good again and the low dose test hopefully will bring back sex drive. The purpose of hcg is to keep your body producing a little on its own. The A
I to keep estradiol lower and avoid the post cycle crash and the resulting high estrogen /low test.

Again, no disrespect intended to anyone else offering advice on this thread. There are so many opinions and theories and we as bodybuilders, powerlifters etc are the lab rats. Just offering my opinion and over 20+ years experience.

Good luck!
 
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Well

A concoction of....from trying FIRST to LAST........
1. Humanofort-400mg daily, 25 mg proviron daily
2. massive g's test booster from trueprotein with D aspartic acid-?
3. DHEA-50mg daily split in 1/2
4. Cabergoline-?
5. MT II-?
6. Aromasin-12.5 mg EOD
7. HCG-?
8. Clomid-?
Nothing less than 300 mg test weekly......anything less can LOWER test levels
 

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[QUOTE=minister;865188]Well kid, we all have been down that road, myself I am 46 and have been cycling for close to 15 years. You live and learn. Your natural test is shut down right now, Because of not having enough time in between cycles or poor PCT. I would definitely run another full PCT. A couple of guys already gave you good advise. I would do 1250 IUs of HCG every 5th day for 3 weeks, take 10 mgs of dbal first thing in the morning on empty stomach, you'll be surprised how much that helps to restore natural test, 20 mgs of Nolva in morning ,20 mgs early evening. And in your case I would try 25 mgs of proviron twice a day, this always helped me when that happened. One more thing, if you can get a hold of some GH and do 3 IUs a day, 4 days on , 2 days off, this will increase the effects of all the other compounds. I know it sounds like a lot , this would cover all the bases kid. Good luck and God bless you. Minister.


My post starts hear, the above was quote by Minister. Not sure what happened to the way it was separated.



Not trying start an argument.lol. I agree on the hcg and nolva, but that doesn't address the problem of circulating estrogens. Also , I don't see how 10 mgs dbol will help restore his natural test. I understand how it may make him feel better as it acts as a test replacement, but dbol if anything would prolong his recovery and even at 10 mgs can still aromatize. Again, if there is info out there backing that up and I would never say anything is impossible, I would like to hear it.

M suggestion would be to use the hcg and nolva as stated by Minister, leave out the dbol, add a aromasin or other AI starting immediately , dosage dependant on the AI used. While sex dive will probably be low for awhile try dhea 50 mgs day. DHEA could theoretically slow recovery , but I have not had that experience. DHEA doesn't do much for strength, but I definitely notice a boost in sex drive. At 50 mgs there shouldn't be an issue with aromatization especially since you would be using an AI anyway.

If all else fails you could go back on test only at 100-200 mgs week for 6-8 weeks and do a proper pct. This time use hcg at 500 iu every 5 days through out along with aromasin. Sometimes this works best because mentally you will feel good again and the low dose test hopefully will bring back sex drive. The purpose of hcg is to keep your body producing a little on its own. The A
I to keep estradiol lower and avoid the post cycle crash and the resulting high estrogen /low test.

Again, no disrespect intended to anyone else offering advice on this thread. There are so many opinions and theories and we as bodybuilders, powerlifters etc are the lab rats. Just offering my opinion and over 20+ years experience.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

No disrespect taken brother, good solid advice. However do a little research on 10 mgs of dbal on empty stomach, first thing in the morning used during PCT, and how it impacts cortisol levels and help restore natural endogenous test levels without shutting down your own production, and you might be surprised. My friends and I have been doing this for years and it works excellent. We first found out about this from a controlled study done by some doctors a few years back ,done on heavy steroid users. There is actually a ton of info about this on this board, I consider this one of the main reasons my test levels never crash. Also doing your hcg during cycle is the best thing to do, and not wait to be completely shut down, I do 500 Ius every 5th day throughout cycle, the dose is adjusted according to the amount of anabolics you are doing. Blessings to all.
 

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phil hernon- can i ask mate why you say to use test rather than the guy try and recover ?

i am going through a similar problem and have been on for a couple of years ,can i regain my sex drive without coming off ?
 

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No disrespect taken brother, good solid advice. However do a little research on 10 mgs of dbal on empty stomach, first thing in the morning used during PCT, and how it impacts cortisol levels and help restore natural endogenous test levels without shutting down your own production, and you might be surprised. My friends and I have been doing this for years and it works excellent. We first found out about this from a controlled study done by some doctors a few years back ,done on heavy steroid users. There is actually a ton of info about this on this board, I consider this one of the main reasons my test levels never crash. Also doing your hcg during cycle is the best thing to do, and not wait to be completely shut down, I do 500 Ius every 5th day throughout cycle, the dose is adjusted according to the amount of anabolics you are doing. Blessings to all.
Do you have any bloodwork done after using this dbol protocol Minister? i have heard alot about this here and on other boards about dbol being used to help cortisol problems as well as being used as a good bridge while in pct but i also hear that its bullsh*t as well. Most people who have used this protocol just go by "how they feel" and say they feel recovered completely even while on a small dose of AM dbol. do you do bloodwork after your pct? just wondering
 

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well said

My post starts hear, the above was quote by Minister. Not sure what happened to the way it was separated.



Not trying start an argument.lol. I agree on the hcg and nolva, but that doesn't address the problem of circulating estrogens. Also , I don't see how 10 mgs dbol will help restore his natural test. I understand how it may make him feel better as it acts as a test replacement, but dbol if anything would prolong his recovery and even at 10 mgs can still aromatize. Again, if there is info out there backing that up and I would never say anything is impossible, I would like to hear it.

M suggestion would be to use the hcg and nolva as stated by Minister, leave out the dbol, add a aromasin or other AI starting immediately , dosage dependant on the AI used. While sex dive will probably be low for awhile try dhea 50 mgs day. DHEA could theoretically slow recovery , but I have not had that experience. DHEA doesn't do much for strength, but I definitely notice a boost in sex drive. At 50 mgs there shouldn't be an issue with aromatization especially since you would be using an AI anyway.

If all else fails you could go back on test only at 100-200 mgs week for 6-8 weeks and do a proper pct. This time use hcg at 500 iu every 5 days through out along with aromasin. Sometimes this works best because mentally you will feel good again and the low dose test hopefully will bring back sex drive. The purpose of hcg is to keep your body producing a little on its own. The A[/B]I to keep estradiol lower and avoid the post cycle crash and the resulting high estrogen /low test.

Again, no disrespect intended to anyone else offering advice on this thread. There are so many opinions and theories and we as bodybuilders, powerlifters etc are the lab rats. Just offering my opinion and over 20+ years experience.

Good luck!
No disrespect taken brother, good solid advice. However do a little research on 10 mgs of dbal on empty stomach, first thing in the morning used during PCT, and how it impacts cortisol levels and help restore natural endogenous test levels without shutting down your own production, and you might be surprised. My friends and I have been doing this for years and it works excellent. We first found out about this from a controlled study done by some doctors a few years back ,done on heavy steroid users. There is actually a ton of info about this on this board, I consider this one of the main reasons my test levels never crash. Also doing your hcg during cycle is the best thing to do, and not wait to be completely shut down, I do 500 Ius every 5th day throughout cycle, the dose is adjusted according to the amount of anabolics you are doing. Blessings to all.[/QUOTE]

Well said
 

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Good question

phil hernon- can i ask mate why you say to use test rather than the guy try and recover ?

i am going through a similar problem and have been on for a couple of years ,can i regain my sex drive without coming off ?
I believe once you start taking test...........you need to stay on......forever....it just will not be the same........
 

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No disrespect taken brother, good solid advice. However do a little research on 10 mgs of dbal on empty stomach, first thing in the morning used during PCT, and how it impacts cortisol levels and help restore natural endogenous test levels without shutting down your own production, and you might be surprised. My friends and I have been doing this for years and it works excellent. We first found out about this from a controlled study done by some doctors a few years back ,done on heavy steroid users. There is actually a ton of info about this on this board, I consider this one of the main reasons my test levels never crash. Also doing your hcg during cycle is the best thing to do, and not wait to be completely shut down, I do 500 Ius every 5th day throughout cycle, the dose is adjusted according to the amount of anabolics you are doing. Blessings to all.
Well said[/QUOTE]

I would go 5mg 2x per day on empty stomach (every 12 hours) the only problem is that it can reduce the natural cortisol activity up to 70% which can cause Adison disease, the good news is that by taking Humanofort you will be able to regulate the natural cortisol production.
 

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I would go 5mg 2x per day on empty stomach (every 12 hours) the only problem is that it can reduce the natural cortisol activity up to 70% which can cause Adison disease, the good news is that by taking Humanofort you will be able to regulate the natural cortisol production.[/QUOTE]

Agree 100%, I have noticed a huge different in recovery ever since I incorporated Humanofort to my PCT, I forgot to mention that in my previous post, have used it in my last 4 PCTs and I will never do without it from now on. Blessings friends.
 

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minister, dan525, and emeric delczeg. i would go with their suggestions.
 

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