Permanent tren damage - intestines?

[root]

Hi there. i used to post on here 20 years ago but long forgot my username. have not been active on any forums or into bodybuilding for decades. i took tren E in december 2004 when i was 22. I did 3 short cycles of tren ace at like 2-4 weeks long before at 75mg eod up until 100mg ED. but in dec 2004 i decided to use tren E. i didnt even take much but it was too much and highly toxic to me. 375mg/wk, then 500mg. total maybe a month. i didnt feel it at first of course but then it hit me like a brick. i had night sweats, all kinds of issues. i immediately noticed my prostate swelled up. lost most of the feeling when i orgasm. and my intestines felt kinda painful. of course i stopped immediately but it was too late. that tren enanthate took 3 months to get out of me, not 4 weeks.

fast forward 18 years. the side effects are all permanent. it never improved. i havent touched anything since 2005. i went on HRT from 2011-2018. then came off, now dealing with all kinds of issues from that. and lower test makes my digestion even worse. i can hardly eat what i want and if i dont eat enough or perfect, i cant sleep. none of it got better. i stopped HRT because i wanted to try to completely recover with chinese herbs and when i take HRT it inflames my prostate (even with estrogen kept in check) from that tren damage. so i am rock hard but dont feel much when i orgasm. the herbs never healed me, they just make me a little hornier and give me some energy but nothing like test does. and even on test, my digestion only slightly improves but the pain still persists.

is there anything i can use that could potentially heal my stomach or intestines or any idea what caused this or what tests I should go get done? because im really sick of living this way. and i need to fix this. tren left me overal internally weak but my chief complaint is indeed my intestinal pain. its not horrific. my bowels are perfectly fine, no acid but then i eat perfect too. but i have zero quality of life. i weigh 118 pounds at 5'6". i was never a big guy but i never weighed this little. i started at 145 and bulked up to 175 when i was 19. but thats why i got into this stupid game, dumb young insecurities. and i cant believe i ever got involved in it to be honest. these days i cant even workout. and quite frankly i can care less. it always reminds me of the horrible damage i did to myself. i get dizzy even with light weights. the low test is causing this and makes my digestion even worse. i have a script for it but just don't use it. i will eventually go back on it since im almost 40 this year. i do aerobics 2-3 times a week and walk.

any help would be appreciated. thanks

 

[Bio]

Do you have any mental health issues or been told you're a hypochondriac?

Now you say you have low test but won't take the prescribed test. Why don't you start there!

This is either a troll, hypochondriac or the biggest outlier ever!!

 

[kastro]

Hi there. i used to post on here 20 years ago but long forgot my username. have not been active on any forums or into bodybuilding for decades. i took tren E in december 2004 when i was 22. I did 3 short cycles of tren ace at like 2-4 weeks long before at 75mg eod up until 100mg ED. but in dec 2004 i decided to use tren E. i didnt even take much but it was too much and highly toxic to me. 375mg/wk, then 500mg. total maybe a month. i didnt feel it at first of course but then it hit me like a brick. i had night sweats, all kinds of issues. i immediately noticed my prostate swelled up. lost most of the feeling when i orgasm. and my intestines felt kinda painful. of course i stopped immediately but it was too late. that tren enanthate took 3 months to get out of me, not 4 weeks.

fast forward 18 years. the side effects are all permanent. it never improved. i havent touched anything since 2005. i went on HRT from 2011-2018. then came off, now dealing with all kinds of issues from that. and lower test makes my digestion even worse. i can hardly eat what i want and if i dont eat enough or perfect, i cant sleep. none of it got better. i stopped HRT because i wanted to try to completely recover with chinese herbs and when i take HRT it inflames my prostate (even with estrogen kept in check) from that tren damage. so i am rock hard but dont feel much when i orgasm. the herbs never healed me, they just make me a little hornier and give me some energy but nothing like test does. and even on test, my digestion only slightly improves but the pain still persists.

is there anything i can use that could potentially heal my stomach or intestines or any idea what caused this or what tests I should go get done? because im really sick of living this way. and i need to fix this. tren left me overal internally weak but my chief complaint is indeed my intestinal pain. its not horrific. my bowels are perfectly fine, no acid but then i eat perfect too. but i have zero quality of life. i weigh 118 pounds at 5'6". i was never a big guy but i never weighed this little. i started at 145 and bulked up to 175 when i was 19. but thats why i got into this stupid game, dumb young insecurities. and i cant believe i ever got involved in it to be honest. these days i cant even workout. and quite frankly i can care less. it always reminds me of the horrible damage i did to myself. i get dizzy even with light weights. the low test is causing this and makes my digestion even worse. i have a script for it but just don't use it. i will eventually go back on it since im almost 40 this year. i do aerobics 2-3 times a week and walk.

any help would be appreciated. thanks

Did'nt mean to hit the like button bro my bad.As for the stomack issues you ned to see a GI doctor and he can do an endoscopy to see what is going on there.Good luck

 

[qbkilla]

Do you have any mental health issues or been told you're a hypochondriac?

Now you say you have low test but won't take the prescribed test. Why don't you start there!

This is either a troll, hypochondriac or the biggest outlier ever!!

I didn't want to come off as a dick but this is what I was going to post. I feel like we have alot of hypochondriac on the forums ( specifically as it relates to digestion/ bowel movement). Op Are you on any meds for mental health, have Asperger's?

I used to work with adults who had high functioning Asperger's (sometimes undiagnosed) who would constantly seek doctors to confirm something was wrong with them, use Google to convince themselves something was wrong, etc.

 

[fitnessmuscle]

Hi there. i used to post on here 20 years ago but long forgot my username. have not been active on any forums or into bodybuilding for decades. i took tren E in december 2004 when i was 22. I did 3 short cycles of tren ace at like 2-4 weeks long before at 75mg eod up until 100mg ED. but in dec 2004 i decided to use tren E. i didnt even take much but it was too much and highly toxic to me. 375mg/wk, then 500mg. total maybe a month. i didnt feel it at first of course but then it hit me like a brick. i had night sweats, all kinds of issues. i immediately noticed my prostate swelled up. lost most of the feeling when i orgasm. and my intestines felt kinda painful. of course i stopped immediately but it was too late. that tren enanthate took 3 months to get out of me, not 4 weeks.

fast forward 18 years. the side effects are all permanent. it never improved. i havent touched anything since 2005. i went on HRT from 2011-2018. then came off, now dealing with all kinds of issues from that. and lower test makes my digestion even worse. i can hardly eat what i want and if i dont eat enough or perfect, i cant sleep. none of it got better. i stopped HRT because i wanted to try to completely recover with chinese herbs and when i take HRT it inflames my prostate (even with estrogen kept in check) from that tren damage. so i am rock hard but dont feel much when i orgasm. the herbs never healed me, they just make me a little hornier and give me some energy but nothing like test does. and even on test, my digestion only slightly improves but the pain still persists.

is there anything i can use that could potentially heal my stomach or intestines or any idea what caused this or what tests I should go get done? because im really sick of living this way. and i need to fix this. tren left me overal internally weak but my chief complaint is indeed my intestinal pain. its not horrific. my bowels are perfectly fine, no acid but then i eat perfect too. but i have zero quality of life. i weigh 118 pounds at 5'6". i was never a big guy but i never weighed this little. i started at 145 and bulked up to 175 when i was 19. but thats why i got into this stupid game, dumb young insecurities. and i cant believe i ever got involved in it to be honest. these days i cant even workout. and quite frankly i can care less. it always reminds me of the horrible damage i did to myself. i get dizzy even with light weights. the low test is causing this and makes my digestion even worse. i have a script for it but just don't use it. i will eventually go back on it since im almost 40 this year. i do aerobics 2-3 times a week and walk.

any help would be appreciated. thanks

I don’t know if it’s the tren that did that man ,but I can say tren always gives me awful heartburn, but goes away after being off for a few weeks

 

[fisther69]

Sure it’s not long term heavy metal poisoning?

 

[root]

this is why i generally do not post on these types of forums. but i thought it would be a good idea to see if anyone had similar issues. from my research it seems like tren does affect digestion and the intestines. im not on any other meds. and for those who don't believe me, keep taking your tren and telling yourself you will be okay. im 100% sure it was from the tren. i only posted this now because for many years i had assumed that the tren damaged my kidney "energy" in "traditional chinese medicine [TCM] philosophy" which then damages the energy of all other organs, thus weakening the entire body, which i still do believe is true. and once you damage your kidney energy using drugs, you can never recover that.

i was not aware that tren has a DIRECT affect on the stomach and intestines until recently. so i am hoping i can find a solution for it. once you damage enough kidney "energy", you then damage your kidney organ itself. this is why a lot of bodybuilders have kidney failure. it's the tren.

 

[cage99]

If you truly are experiencing stomach discomfort then visit a doctor or GI specialist. Let them take a look and see if anything is going on!

As to Tren, it does effect digestion as well as a host of other issues. Been using Tren on and off for damn near 20 years. Never had any long lasting issues.

Cage

 

[heavyhitter]

It is believed that tren seriously negatively effects the gut microbiome, hence, chronic long lasting digestive issues until it’s corrected. Introduce fermented foods, try to avoid sugar, take some glutamine, and use a good probiotic like Dr ohiras to heal and repopulate your gut microbiome

 

[root]

thanks for the info. i knew there was a link somewhere. sugar does not bother me but i hardly eat much of it besides 2 tsp of organic honey before bed and upon waking. which moves things around. overall i have a sluggish digestive system. it seems to be in the intestinal region. i dont have "stomach" issues. its mostly lower in the intestines. i cannot mix many foods or eat many foods that i used to before all this damage. i never eat cakes or ice cream, much of dairy, mixing meat and potatoes, soups are horrible, any water with meals fucks me hard, and of course overall even normal amount of calories. if i do, i feel very weak and cannot sleep. and even with natural foods that i dont mix too much of, it is still sluggish. but bowels are normal, no weird stomach cramps or severe pains unless of course i eat too much or eat too much rice which constipates and then everything is hell. but its bad enough to have reduced the quality of my life entirely and made me nearly anorexic and weak. when i was on HRT, it seemed a little better but very marginally. like maybe 15-20% better. and on HRT i normally weigh about 130, which i will be going back on.

 

[Rumpwrangler]

Maybe I missed why you did but I don’t think coming off TRT was a good idea. Sounds like your system really needs the testosterone. Mine does too. It’s important

 

[heavyhitter]

thanks for the info. i knew there was a link somewhere. sugar does not bother me but i hardly eat much of it besides 2 tsp of organic honey before bed and upon waking. which moves things around. overall i have a sluggish digestive system. it seems to be in the intestinal region. i dont have "stomach" issues. its mostly lower in the intestines. i cannot mix many foods or eat many foods that i used to before all this damage. i never eat cakes or ice cream, much of dairy, mixing meat and potatoes, soups are horrible, any water with meals fucks me hard, and of course overall even normal amount of calories. if i do, i feel very weak and cannot sleep. and even with natural foods that i dont mix too much of, it is still sluggish. but bowels are normal, no weird stomach cramps or severe pains unless of course i eat too much or eat too much rice which constipates and then everything is hell. but its bad enough to have reduced the quality of my life entirely and made me nearly anorexic and weak. when i was on HRT, it seemed a little better but very marginally. like maybe 15-20% better. and on HRT i normally weigh about 130, which i will be going back on.

Sugar might not bother you, but it feeds the bad bacteria and helps it proliferate. Are you gassy and have indigestion a lot? You say it fucks you, but describe it.

 

[bigains]

I developed IBS and used to use tren frequently, don't know if it is related. IBS can cause a lot of lower intestinal discomfort. What helps me is eating a low FODMAP diet. Taking psyllium husk fiber and probiotics. Limiting fluid at mealtime seems to help digestion as well. Adding finasteride to your trt could help you feel somewhat better without swelling your prostate.

 

[Bio]

@root in the 18 years since you used Tren for a short time have you had a colonoscopy or endoscopy?

 

[heavyhitter]

@root in the 18 years since you used Tren for a short time have you had a colonoscopy or endoscopy?

This for sure

 

[root]

PERSONALLY:
i get gassy when i mix foods. esp protein and carbs, but rice seems to be more forgiving. the worst is any meat with sugar. so meat and potatoes, meat and chocolate. but that is not nearly as bad as mixing nuts with any protein or anything else. absolutely horrific. too sweet of foods ruin me too. i dont eat figs, dates, prunes, etc. so that is where you are right in where sugar does cause negative affects but i dont eat much of it. i only eat honey and not much of that so my sugar intake is extremely low.

i also used to eat oatmeal every morning for like 20 years. i had to stop because it would simply destroy me and make me weak and didnt offer me enough calories. i also cannot consume protein powder, peanut butter. it causes indigestion and this affects how you think. which then makes me more anxious as well. because the spleen is associated with worry emotion. this is why they call it the "go with your gut feeling" because even the "west" is aware of that.

THE BODY HAS A CLOCK:
in the morning, your stomach fills with energy from 7-9am. thats when it is the strongest. so you can eat a little more and mix more things. the worst time to eat is between 7-11pm. i learned this through chinese medicine. your body has a clock. this is why you should never be awake passed 11 oclock (optimally) and especially never eat late. after learning these things, i was able to feel better than before but not normal. diluting food with water fucks me because it weakens digestion for anyone but for me especially. i never eat soups or drink liquids with meals. if i am very thirsty. i will have to drink water. i limit my salt so i dont get thirsty. i also do a style of qigong right before bed for about 15 min which is like tai chi where i focus on my stomach doing exercises like horse stance and others for as long as i can hold it. my intestines start moving and if i have excess water, it will drain it downwards and ill piss it out before bed. otherwise it just gets stuck there. it also helps move digestion down too. i gave up bodybuilding and went more the ancient chinese shaolin lifestyle and feel a lot better. my sleep is only good when my digestion has not been impaired. some nights i can sleep 7 hours without waking up. other nights i cant sleep at all if i ate something bad or if i did not eat enough. there are times where i dont eat enough and i will wake up after 4 hours ravenous and eat something just to go back to sleep.

WHY I CAME OFF:
i came off the testosterone because i got into chinese herbs trying to heal all this damage from the tren but even they mention it is permanent damage to the kidneys. my kidney organ is fine because lucky i stopped it in time. its my kidney energy thats fucked up. everyone has a different amount when born. this dictates your genetics and constitution (if you're weak or strong or tall). i wasnt born with a lot of it, and so taking steroids weakened my already weak constitution but of course i didnt know this when i was 17! i was full of insecurities at that age. yes as you can guess, my libido and erections are subpar at 344ng with a low-mod free T. i cant lift anything and even if i were to go back on which i will, i wouldn't. i hate training with weights and i already built the muscle i want. i just like being muscular and lean. right now i weigh 118 but i dont look it because im striated everywhere and look like i actually workout when i dont. because all i ever did was 100% free weights my whole life. i enjoy being more into the martial arts side. its healthier but i dont mind lifting light here and there.

TREN AND KIDNEYS:
i hear a lot of horror stories of people with failed kidneys. this is from tren and/or deca, these things are highly toxic. when i was 19 before i ever touched tren. i took the entire bottle of ara-test 2500 which has 2500mg of test in it. i never took that much in my life. i heard it was underdosed so i took the whole thing but i never took anymore test after that, and i stacked it with original real thai british disp dbol 30mg and i could not believe my eyes. i was growing every morning visually different than the day before. in 3 weeks i gained more muscle than i ever did. but health wise? just anxeity because of higher blood pressure but it was still not that high. i took arimidex but no problems otherwise. you can take a lot of test and be fine but any amount of tren is extremely toxic. its not designed for humans. so what does that tell you? yes EQ is not as toxic but maybe it is in other ways, who knows!

 

[root]

@root in the 18 years since you used Tren for a short time have you had a colonoscopy or endoscopy?

no i never did. i just assumed that this was caused indirectly by weakening my kidney energy which affects all other organs including spleen, heart, liver, lungs etc. but now after coming back to research, i can see it directly affects the digestive system. i do want to get this test done and possibly get other scans done as well

 

[root]

@heavyhitter thanks for posting here. Ive been reading some replies from an older thread as well

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/tren-stomach-pain.168258/page-2

 

[Bleed]

You used tren almost 18 years ago but you mention you ate oatmeal every morning for 20 years and had to stop because it would destroy you. That doesnt sound like the tren that is doing that. Seems like you have something else going on.

Everything you are posting here points to a cascading deterioration that has take place over decades. You are choosing to place the blame squarely at the feet of tren and are recalcitrant to the idea it could be anything else that is causing your issues which seems to be why you are discarding the most obvious solution.

You have some other ideas which I have to ask how you came to accept "your stomach fills with energy from 7-9am. thats when it is the strongest. so you can eat a little more and mix more things. the worst time to eat is between 7-11pm. i learned this through chinese medicine." as though it is fact. How did Chinese medicine determine this, and more importantly, why do you believe this?

It sounds to me like you have become a holistic naturopath trying to treat yourself. You need to consult some competent western medicine and diagnose and treat whatever you have going on or it could get much worse.

We have too many guys here who have taken tren over years with no digestion issues (me included) and enough guys to know that "you can take a lot of test and be fine but any amount of tren is extremely toxic." is not an accurate statement. You can take a lot of test and do everything wrong and destroy your kidneys with high blood pressure.

Take the time and go see a GI specialist.

PERSONALLY:
i get gassy when i mix foods. esp protein and carbs, but rice seems to be more forgiving. the worst is any meat with sugar. so meat and potatoes, meat and chocolate. but that is not nearly as bad as mixing nuts with any protein or anything else. absolutely horrific. too sweet of foods ruin me too. i dont eat figs, dates, prunes, etc. so that is where you are right in where sugar does cause negative affects but i dont eat much of it. i only eat honey and not much of that so my sugar intake is extremely low.

i also used to eat oatmeal every morning for like 20 years. i had to stop because it would simply destroy me and make me weak and didnt offer me enough calories. i also cannot consume protein powder, peanut butter. it causes indigestion and this affects how you think. which then makes me more anxious as well. because the spleen is associated with worry emotion. this is why they call it the "go with your gut feeling" because even the "west" is aware of that.

THE BODY HAS A CLOCK:
in the morning, your stomach fills with energy from 7-9am. thats when it is the strongest. so you can eat a little more and mix more things. the worst time to eat is between 7-11pm. i learned this through chinese medicine. your body has a clock. this is why you should never be awake passed 11 oclock (optimally) and especially never eat late. after learning these things, i was able to feel better than before but not normal. diluting food with water fucks me because it weakens digestion for anyone but for me especially. i never eat soups or drink liquids with meals. if i am very thirsty. i will have to drink water. i limit my salt so i dont get thirsty. i also do a style of qigong right before bed for about 15 min which is like tai chi where i focus on my stomach doing exercises like horse stance and others for as long as i can hold it. my intestines start moving and if i have excess water, it will drain it downwards and ill piss it out before bed. otherwise it just gets stuck there. it also helps move digestion down too. i gave up bodybuilding and went more the ancient chinese shaolin lifestyle and feel a lot better. my sleep is only good when my digestion has not been impaired. some nights i can sleep 7 hours without waking up. other nights i cant sleep at all if i ate something bad or if i did not eat enough. there are times where i dont eat enough and i will wake up after 4 hours ravenous and eat something just to go back to sleep.

WHY I CAME OFF:
i came off the testosterone because i got into chinese herbs trying to heal all this damage from the tren but even they mention it is permanent damage to the kidneys. my kidney organ is fine because lucky i stopped it in time. its my kidney energy thats fucked up. everyone has a different amount when born. this dictates your genetics and constitution (if you're weak or strong or tall). i wasnt born with a lot of it, and so taking steroids weakened my already weak constitution but of course i didnt know this when i was 17! i was full of insecurities at that age. yes as you can guess, my libido and erections are subpar at 344ng with a low-mod free T. i cant lift anything and even if i were to go back on which i will, i wouldn't. i hate training with weights and i already built the muscle i want. i just like being muscular and lean. right now i weigh 118 but i dont look it because im striated everywhere and look like i actually workout when i dont. because all i ever did was 100% free weights my whole life. i enjoy being more into the martial arts side. its healthier but i dont mind lifting light here and there.

TREN AND KIDNEYS:
i hear a lot of horror stories of people with failed kidneys. this is from tren and/or deca, these things are highly toxic. when i was 19 before i ever touched tren. i took the entire bottle of ara-test 2500 which has 2500mg of test in it. i never took that much in my life. i heard it was underdosed so i took the whole thing but i never took anymore test after that, and i stacked it with original real thai british disp dbol 30mg and i could not believe my eyes. i was growing every morning visually different than the day before. in 3 weeks i gained more muscle than i ever did. but health wise? just anxeity because of higher blood pressure but it was still not that high. i took arimidex but no problems otherwise. you can take a lot of test and be fine but any amount of tren is extremely toxic. its not designed for humans. so what does that tell you? yes EQ is not as toxic but maybe it is in other ways, who knows!

 

[Reno911]

Very odd post.

In all the information that you've dumped so far, I don't think I've read anything about bloodwork, scopes, allergy testing, BP, etc, etc.

How do you know your prostate is enlarged? Did your doctor do a no handed prostate check to make sure?