Poliquin's BioSignature

[Shelby]

Is anyone here certified?

 

[speedbacker]

I am not, but I understand the system and use it. A few friends of mine around the country are certified though.

 

[Kapeta]

I know this isn't what your asking Shelby, but ...

It's guru voodoo bullshit.

Have you actually noticed since he started that, the # of supplements he sells is massive?

You are possibly asking for other reasons, but I hope you don't start subscribing to this bullshit. Your clients already kick ass -- as well do you.

From a stubborn fat loss perspective, I would actually pick up Lyle McDonald's stubborn fat loss book. Gold mine of information in there.

 

[AWN2004]

I think the guy is smart but he is a complete asshole. About five years ago or so on a Sunday I was at a Golds out here in AZ and I see him in there training by himself. Besides myself, there was nobody else in the place. I noticed the guy and didn't say anything to him until he got right next to me on a machine and was done with his training session. I was very polite and said something like "I've read many of your articles and I respect your work blah blah blah". At that point he told me that he wasn't Charles but rather it was his brother. About a month later I see the guy training with a competitor at my home gym and get introduced to the guy by him. He acted like he had never met me but you could tell he was uncomfortable because he was caught. Why in the world he lied to me is beyond me. I understand nobody wants to be interupted during training and I'm the last one to do something like that but he just left a very bad impression. Sorry for the rant but when your in the public eye, you better be cordial to a potential client or someone willing to buy one of your books.

 

[Shelby]

I know this isn't what your asking Shelby, but ...

It's guru voodoo bullshit.

Have you actually noticed since he started that, the # of supplements he sells is massive?

You are possibly asking for other reasons, but I hope you don't start subscribing to this bullshit. Your clients already kick ass -- as well do you.
.

Yes, quite a lucrative deal he's put together for himself with it all, isn't it?

From a stubborn fat loss perspective, I would actually pick up Lyle McDonald's stubborn fat loss book. Gold mine of information in there.

Yep I've been a huge fan of Lyle's for years.

 

[Shelby]

you better be cordial to a potential client or someone willing to buy one of your books.

... or someone that will post about you on message boards read by thousands..

 

[KateK]

I'm certified. I'm happy to help if anyone has questions.

 

[Shelby]

I'm certified. I'm happy to help if anyone has questions.

Kate,

Have you ever had clients get blood work done to verify what the Biosig is indicating?

Also, what methods other than the Poliquin supplements does Biosig recommend to correct the hormonal imbalances found?

Thanks for any insight...

 

[KateK]

Kate,

Have you ever had clients get blood work done to verify what the Biosig is indicating?

Also, what methods other than the Poliquin supplements does Biosig recommend to correct the hormonal imbalances found?

Thanks for any insight...

Hey Shelby. First, just wanted to say that I really enjoyed all of your recent articles. You are officially the carb cycling guru, and I have adapted many of your methods with my clients and had great success. Rock on.

Back to BioSig--- yes blood work has correlated significantly with what the BioSig indicates. Charles did not just come up with this crap on his own. It was years of research .
So, for example, if a dude has really low test levels, I can almost ensure that he'll hold his bodyfat primarily in his tricep and pec area. Seen it countless times. Similarly, I had a client who was an ultrarunner. So she was running close to 100 miles a week and I predicted that her growth hormone and thryoid levels would be shit because that type of long duration running makes growth hormone and thyroid plummet. Sure enough, guess what her top modulation sites were? Calves (growth hormone), knee (growth hormone), and mid-axillary (thyroid). And her IGF-1 levels and thyroid were both extremely low as indicated on her blood work. I could list over 100 stories from my own experience and from that of other BioSig trainers whom I have collaborated with. It's amazing accurate it is. And this is coming from a former skeptic about the whole thing.

Charles actually worked with a hell of a lot of doctors throughout the world when putting this together, as he still does. And we aren't just talking about body composition... we're talking about diabetes, cholesterol, heart disease, MS, etc... all of these things can be addressed through targeted diet and supplement protocols.

Hope that helps shed some light. For anyone wondering what the hell BioSignature is, you can read a bit about it on **broken link removed**, and a google search will turn up lots of feedback.

 

[Shelby]

Thanks Kate.

Shoot me an email, if you would:
[email protected]

I can't send you a private message here because you don't have enough posts yet.

Thanks

 

[Kapeta]

This shit is coming from a guy that claimed to go from 198lbs @ 8% to 209lbs @ 6% in 9 days of eating Dominican Rebublic foods.

~14lbs of LBM in fucking 9 days? 1.5lbs / day?!?!

This is the same guy that recommends copious amounts of fish oil ...

There are too many examples to CLEARLY articulate he is simply after the people at eat up the 'DIFFERENT' shit.

Hard to sell proven supplements all the time. Hard to sell good nutritional practices all the time. You need to find new ways.

You can easily find correlations to this bullshit. I've talked to many people that have went through the BioSig stuff, and the one's that are actually critical about everything they do, they all see the faulty bullshit as well.

You can honestly find correlation with anything you do. It's not hard.

Research has been clear that hormones do play a role in fat distribution, but specific sites for specific hormones ... where is the research? I don't need the bullshit answer as there is none as I see it all day with my clients comment. There have been numerous people I know that have been taught BioSig or have been self-taught from others, and there is quite a few cases it simply never pans out.

I don't recall much of this shit anymore because I've tried to erase it from my head, but I recall one of the TEACHINGS is that cortisol correlates to 'AB' fat. NO, it DOES impact VISCERAL fat, which most people immediately think VISCERAL == AB area since that is the common area that is talked about when VISCERAL fat is discussed in examples.

KateK, you are probably a good trainer, nice person, etc. This wasn't intended to be directed to you, but I can't resist sometimes when I see this stuff.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Yes

This shit is coming from a guy that claimed to go from 198lbs @ 8% to 209lbs @ 6% in 9 days of eating Dominican Rebublic foods.

~14lbs of LBM in fucking 9 days? 1.5lbs / day?!?!

This is the same guy that recommends copious amounts of fish oil ...

There are too many examples to CLEARLY articulate he is simply after the people at eat up the 'DIFFERENT' shit.

Hard to sell proven supplements all the time. Hard to sell good nutritional practices all the time. You need to find new ways.

You can easily find correlations to this bullshit. I've talked to many people that have went through the BioSig stuff, and the one's that are actually critical about everything they do, they all see the faulty bullshit as well.

You can honestly find correlation with anything you do. It's not hard.

Research has been clear that hormones do play a role in fat distribution, but specific sites for specific hormones ... where is the research? I don't need the bullshit answer as there is none as I see it all day with my clients comment. There have been numerous people I know that have been taught BioSig or have been self-taught from others, and there is quite a few cases it simply never pans out.

I don't recall much of this shit anymore because I've tried to erase it from my head, but I recall one of the TEACHINGS is that cortisol correlates to 'AB' fat. NO, it DOES impact VISCERAL fat, which most people immediately think VISCERAL == AB area since that is the common area that is talked about when VISCERAL fat is discussed in examples.

KateK, you are probably a good trainer, nice person, etc. This wasn't intended to be directed to you, but I can't resist sometimes when I see this stuff.

Thank God for common sense.

 

[KateK]

This shit is coming from a guy that claimed to go from 198lbs @ 8% to 209lbs @ 6% in 9 days of eating Dominican Rebublic foods.

~14lbs of LBM in fucking 9 days? 1.5lbs / day?!?!

This is the same guy that recommends copious amounts of fish oil ...

There are too many examples to CLEARLY articulate he is simply after the people at eat up the 'DIFFERENT' shit.

Hard to sell proven supplements all the time. Hard to sell good nutritional practices all the time. You need to find new ways.

You can easily find correlations to this bullshit. I've talked to many people that have went through the BioSig stuff, and the one's that are actually critical about everything they do, they all see the faulty bullshit as well.

You can honestly find correlation with anything you do. It's not hard.

Research has been clear that hormones do play a role in fat distribution, but specific sites for specific hormones ... where is the research? I don't need the bullshit answer as there is none as I see it all day with my clients comment. There have been numerous people I know that have been taught BioSig or have been self-taught from others, and there is quite a few cases it simply never pans out.

I don't recall much of this shit anymore because I've tried to erase it from my head, but I recall one of the TEACHINGS is that cortisol correlates to 'AB' fat. NO, it DOES impact VISCERAL fat, which most people immediately think VISCERAL == AB area since that is the common area that is talked about when VISCERAL fat is discussed in examples.

KateK, you are probably a good trainer, nice person, etc. This wasn't intended to be directed to you, but I can't resist sometimes when I see this stuff.

Absolutely no offense taken at all. I totally understand the skepticism. I used to be a huge skeptic myself. And you certainly need not take my word for it (nor will you I am sure)... but I've seen some pretty significant results with people using BioSig, and the measures do in fact correlate quite well with blood panel measures of the same hormones. And, BioSig was the result of years of research (I believe it was the US Marines that the subjects were pooled from) and collaboration with physicians.... which is why so many doctors are now attending the seminars as well. Like I said, when you get into hormones, it has much, much more potential than just body composition.

And if anyone has "tried" to use BioSig on their clients, it certainly won't work unless you have the program that contains the algorithm. You can't just look at a client's bodyfat caliper measurements and interpret it. There's a whole lot of math and calculus involved.

But again, totally understand your point of view, and can't say I blame you. In this industry, you HAVE to be skeptical with all the shit out there. It wasn't until I saw quite a few case examples, and then started using it myself and with clients, that I realized that this stuff actually is pretty good shit.

No need to reply.

 

[jalsmiley]

No need to reply.

i will though..if that is you in ur av, you have some great f'in arms!!

 

[KateK]

i will though..if that is you in ur av, you have some great f'in arms!!

Thanks! I appreciate that. I've worked pretty hard to build them.

If you want to see something crazy, this is what they looked like just a year and a half ago. This picture is from July 2008----right when I made the decision to turn in my distance running shoes, and change focus to strength training and adding mass. Read, studied, researched... became a personal trainer and PICP strength coach and haven't looked back since. Still have much building to do, but hopefully this provides a little inspiration for anyone with skinny arms!

 

[pesty4077]

Wow, not only buff, but pretty! Talk a little more on this, explaining what it details and what is involved.

 

[Kapeta]

Kate, I commend you for getting into this field, working hard, changing people's lifes, etc ... I just want to let you know you are getting results with certain protocols because they DO work, but not for the reasons you think (or have been taught through Poliquin's biosig).

99% of the time, if you can't find it in research, then it's probably bullshit. You are not going to find carb cycling on pubmed, but if you research the mechanisms behind carb cycling, you will surely find the truth. This goes for everything else.

If you let physiology and all of the other pure sciences govern your thought processes, then you will always find your answers. This goes for training adaptations, anabolic usage, nutritional biochemistry, etc ...

Just don't be comfortable with your knowledge that you learned from Charles the others that are associated with his network. Keep exploring and let critical thinking be your filter.

 

[KateK]

Wow, not only buff, but pretty! Talk a little more on this, explaining what it details and what is involved.

Thanks. I'm not on here a lot but there seem to be a lot of nice guys on this board!!!

BioSignature is based on the research that where you store your body fat is an indication of your hormonal profile. A good tidbit on that **broken link removed**. Basically it is a method of taking and analyzing body fat measurements and then developing training, dietary, supplemental, and lifestyle protocols that match the individual's primary hormonal concerns. So in an assessment, a practitioner takes the clients bodyfat at the 12 sites (note- these aren't your typical cheapo bodyfat calipers). Then he or she enters the numbers into the software, which runs the algorithm (upon which BioSig is based) and then spits the correlations back at you and the top 3 primary issues based on the individual's bodyfat distribution. Then, there is a lot of interpretation and analysis on the part of the assessor, who takes into consideration the interaction of the hormones and chooses the appropriate protocol. For example, if a dude's top 3 issues were Hamstrings (estrogen), Suprailiac (insulin), and Umbilical (cortisol), I'd give him an insulin protocol, even though estrogen is his primary issue. Because chronically elevated insulin levels are what is causing his estrogen to be elevated. As Charles would say, "He's feminizing himself through excessive carbs". So fix the insulin problem and you kill two birds with one stone.

Some of the protocols involve just lifestyle or moderate diet or supplement changes, while other are heavy on supplements, and yes, in this case it can get expensive.

If you want to learn more about the specific sites, **broken link removed** is a good article. It's 7 pages, so scroll through and I think it covers all 12 sites.

Hope that helps provide a little insight.

 

[KateK]

Kate, I commend you for getting into this field, working hard, changing people's lifes, etc ... I just want to let you know you are getting results with certain protocols because they DO work, but not for the reasons you think (or have been taught through Poliquin's biosig).

99% of the time, if you can't find it in research, then it's probably bullshit. You are not going to find carb cycling on pubmed, but if you research the mechanisms behind carb cycling, you will surely find the truth. This goes for everything else.

If you let physiology and all of the other pure sciences govern your thought processes, then you will always find your answers. This goes for training adaptations, anabolic usage, nutritional biochemistry, etc ...

Just don't be comfortable with your knowledge that you learned from Charles the others that are associated with his network. Keep exploring and let critical thinking be your filter.

Right on. Great post. I agree 100%. I certainly do not just use Charles' system exclusively. I take the key points and work it into designing client's programs. As I've told Shelby, I've had a ton of success with his carb cycling approach and use it often.... and actually I have found that the subscap, suprailiac, and umbilical readings help me design the appropriate carb level for the client. Charles has a lot of great information to offer, but I also disagree with quite a bit of his extremes and sometimes "all or nothing" approach. So I simply look at BioSignature as another "tool" to use in my kit, and I continue to reach out for more information and insights to expand my knowledge base.