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Anyone see this?
It was passed on to me by a friend.
**broken link removed**
It covers a number of topics but the first one is the one of primary concern. Now I also believe that the HcG Weight Loss Program (and Clinics) are scams and don't work (at least due to the HcG... very likely due to the EXTREME lack of caloric intake!). But questions raised about the use of HcG in general (disregarding the weight loss issue) makes me wonder if this guy is on to some legit research - or has misinterpreted some studies?
From what I understand about him, he is a personal trainer and a researcher, he has been published in medical journals, and has written a book (I think it is called "The Cholesterol Con" - or something like that - and my friends does say that it is an excellent book, both well written and well researched).
So it makes me wonder.
One part of the webpage indicated above that raised some concerns was this part:
And also this:
And **broken link removed** led me to a page where I didn't understand a lot of what they were talking about, so wondered what some of the experts here might have to say after looking in to it.
Of course I can't find it now, but one of the pages I ended up going through referred to a clinical study where the participants were using 165 I/Us of HcG daily for six days a week for whatever the duration of the study is. Now I know Dr. Crisler recommends HcG at 250 I/U (and up to 350 I/U in certain cases) so we aren't talking a big difference here (165 x 6 = 990 I/Us versus 500 - 700 I/Us weekly) - and that many of primarily HcG programs are taking much higher doses than that.
So what seems to be the consensus?
Oops... hold on.
I did just find some information on looking up the regular program (jeez, everybody using it has some variation of it, but this seems like the original regimen) that the HcG being used in the "Weight Loss Clinics" (as developed by the initial "discoverer" of this program, a Dr. Simeones) is like 1250 I/Us a day, six days a week, for like 6 or 7 weeks, then apparently you take a break of some time period and repeat cycle until down to desired weight. And then (I think) you stop the program, though I would bet more than one "HcG weight loss clinic" out there keeps you on a "maintenance level" (gotta' keep that cash flow coming in). Anyway, 1250 I/Us six times a week means that we are now talking like 7500 I/U of HcG weekly.
It was passed on to me by a friend.
**broken link removed**
It covers a number of topics but the first one is the one of primary concern. Now I also believe that the HcG Weight Loss Program (and Clinics) are scams and don't work (at least due to the HcG... very likely due to the EXTREME lack of caloric intake!). But questions raised about the use of HcG in general (disregarding the weight loss issue) makes me wonder if this guy is on to some legit research - or has misinterpreted some studies?
From what I understand about him, he is a personal trainer and a researcher, he has been published in medical journals, and has written a book (I think it is called "The Cholesterol Con" - or something like that - and my friends does say that it is an excellent book, both well written and well researched).
So it makes me wonder.
One part of the webpage indicated above that raised some concerns was this part:
HCG has been shown to be immunosuppressive in animals and in vitro studies with human blood suggest it could have the same effect in otherwise healthy humans[6]. What this all means in terms of real life susceptibility to bacterial and viral infections among HCG users remains, to the best of my knowledge, unknown. Nonetheless, if one insists on using HCG (or must use it for legitimate medical reasons) then avoidance of people who sniffle, cough, and rub their genitals would probably be a great idea. Even better would be to re-read my HCG article and wake up to the fact that the HCG fad is just a big overhyped and overpriced placebo wank.
And also this:
HCG and its metabolites are also produced in abundant amounts by cancer cells to assure adequate supplies of oxygen and nutrition to tumours, by stimulating blood vessel growth[7]. The ability of HCG and its variants to impede white blood cells is critical not only for embryo survival, but helps tumours to grow and spread without being attacked by the patient’s normal immune response to disease. Many scientific studies have implicated HCG and its variants in causing or worsening cancer. In fact, a number of Biotech companies have studied the use of HCG-suppressing preparations as anti-cancer agents:
**broken link removed**
And **broken link removed** led me to a page where I didn't understand a lot of what they were talking about, so wondered what some of the experts here might have to say after looking in to it.
Of course I can't find it now, but one of the pages I ended up going through referred to a clinical study where the participants were using 165 I/Us of HcG daily for six days a week for whatever the duration of the study is. Now I know Dr. Crisler recommends HcG at 250 I/U (and up to 350 I/U in certain cases) so we aren't talking a big difference here (165 x 6 = 990 I/Us versus 500 - 700 I/Us weekly) - and that many of primarily HcG programs are taking much higher doses than that.
So what seems to be the consensus?
Oops... hold on.
I did just find some information on looking up the regular program (jeez, everybody using it has some variation of it, but this seems like the original regimen) that the HcG being used in the "Weight Loss Clinics" (as developed by the initial "discoverer" of this program, a Dr. Simeones) is like 1250 I/Us a day, six days a week, for like 6 or 7 weeks, then apparently you take a break of some time period and repeat cycle until down to desired weight. And then (I think) you stop the program, though I would bet more than one "HcG weight loss clinic" out there keeps you on a "maintenance level" (gotta' keep that cash flow coming in). Anyway, 1250 I/Us six times a week means that we are now talking like 7500 I/U of HcG weekly.