Proviron and gains

[Old Qua.]

Will Proviron afekt my Gains in a bad manier?

I have ben trying to find some info about it on the net, but just ended up confused.
At one site they claim that Proviron increase the gains of an AAS cycel, but at the next site the claim is the Oposite.



I'm starting this cycel on the 20. this month:
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WEEK
1 - 5: 35mg Dbol per day
1 - 5: 20mcg T3 per day
1 - 8: 875mg test enantethe per week
1 - 8: 600mg deca per week
9 - 13: 45mg Dbol per day
9 - 13: 20mcg T3 per day
9 - 18: 1250mg test cypionathe per week
9 - 16: 600mg Eq per week
17-17: 400mg Eq per week
18-18: 400mg Eq per week
19-19: 750mg test cypionathe per week
20-20: 500mg test cypionathe per week
21-21: 250mg Test cypionathe per week
22-24: 50mg winny EOD
24-25: 2500iu hcg per week
24-28: 20mg Nolvadex per day
25-26: 100mg clormid per day (300mg the first day)
27-28: 50 mg clormid per day

I will allso rún 2500iu hcg per week in week 4, 8, 12, 16 and 20.
I Will allso take 10mg nolvadex per day in week 4,8,12,16 and 20.
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I was thinking of doing Proviron instead of nolva in the weeks where I will be taking HCG(week 24-28 will stil be nolva, as it is part off my postcycel plan). and maybe evean take it ED week 1-23(that is if it will not afekt the gains)

Allso need to know at wath dose I shoudt aim, I was thinkin about something like 25 or 50mg per day??

 

[killer]

20to 50mgs would be okay. I like the 50mg. idea though. I would run it after your cycle for about 3 weeks along with the nolv, dont forget the clomid therapy. to me hcg is only good for a jumpstart. the clomid will normalize your system more natrally thus keeping more of your hard earned gains.For me the proviron i would run it along with the clomid too. This has always hepled me keep gains,and keep e-related sides down as well as being a week androgento keep the gains.this is just my personal opinion as it works for me.

 

[MikeS]

Proviron is the 2nd best drug (next to methandrol) for taking up SBHG in the blood, alowing the other AS to be recepted as 'free' test. So it theoritically can enhance a cycle.

 

[Old Qua.]

Thats Mike S that's what I wantet too hear!
but, is Proviron not an Androgen? and therfor will compeet against the test on binding too the androgen reseptor, making less test bind?

 

[xcelbeyond]

I would suggest moving your hcg back to weeks 23-24 and make sure you take a good anti-e when doing so! Here's some info to back this up: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1190

xcel

 

[Old Qua.]

Xcel:
first of all thanks for you advise!
but blease Tell me:
1. is'nt Proviron a good Anti-E?
2. And do you know if it will enhange my cycel, ore limit my gains?
3. can I evt do the HCG week 23-25?

 

[Old Qua.]

Xcel:
1 Is'nt Nolvadex a godt anti-e?
post cycel I can do nolva at any dose! but while on I will try to stay away from it, beacurse it makes mee gain less!

 

[xcelbeyond]

These are merely suggestions:

Nolvadex hinders IGF-1, and to some degree so does anastrozole (this is debateable) - I would assume that's why you (and most) don't like to take it during a cycle unless they "need to." I prefer letrozole for an anti-e as it increases IGF-1 and really keeps bloat away "for me." Not sure about how Proviron affects IGF-1, if at all.

Hcg will help restore your testicles back to normal size BUT hinders HPTA recovery. So, I would not take it post cycle when you're trying to get your HPTA to recover. Nolvadex and Proviron are good anti-e's - I just feel that letrozole or anastrozole are better drugs to use for "daily, preventative" purposes.

xcel

 

[henry]

in my opinion we'd must to try to simulate our own LH production. For this goal I think that 400UI SubQ twice weekly from 3 week to 3 weeks after last shot (if U use a long-acting AAS) is optimal.
U can store your hcg vial the refrigerator (not freezer) recombining it with bacteriostatic water! I think it's magic! Never got problems when I was on recovery phase, even with 750mg susta /week + 600mg deca /week! Maybe this means i'm right!
I've never used clomid on recovery (it's a shit), just use letrozole + finasteride: this keeps my testosterone levels up in few weeks with any sides effect estrogen-related (i mean clomid-related)!

Kriptocur or Lutrelef are heavy weight choice! If used bad, these can delay your recovery!

P.S. Excuse my english! Do Uknow what MACCHERONI are?