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thought this was an interesting read on cjc


So you want to look like the Hulk or maybe you just want to be lean and muscular. So what's actually stopping you? Genetics... but what exactly is limiting your muscle growth, while at the same time limiting the burning of fat. Quite simply the answer is Myostatin. Myostatin is a direct negative regulator of the amount of skeletal muscle you have and how lean you are. Studies have proven this using mice with the myostatin knock out gene in which they don't have myostatin to limit muscle growth. These Mighty lean ripped mice are called double muscled and they look like mice on steroids, all without working out. The prized winning Belgian Blue and Piedmontese cattle have mutations of myostatin resulting in double muscling. Mutations in humans have been shown too have the same results.


Here are some myostatin links:

1) Myostatin Controlling Obesity and Insulin Resistance Obesity and insulin resistance

2) Muscle and Myostatin Double muscling in cattle due to mutations in the myostatingene

3) Burn more Fat Suppression of body fat accumulation in myostatin-deficient mice

4) Myostatin in Humans Child with myostatin mutation







So what is CJC-1295 and what does it have to do with myostatin you ask... CJC-1295 is a long acting synthetic version of Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH). 30mcg/kg to 60mcg/kg doses can increase gh levels up to 10X normal for 6 days or more with plasma IGF-1 concentrations by 3X for 9-11 days. The estimated 1/2 life is 5.8-8.1 days. After multiple doses the mean IGF-1 levels remain above base level for up to 28 days. Results show that 30mcg/kg CJC-1295 is equal to 5iu's of gh without the normal negative side effects from taking gh. In essence its much better to use CJC-1295 to make your body produce its own gh instead of taking a synthetic gh that also shuts down your normal production. So how does CJC-1295 and Myostatin relate. Growth hormone directly regulates myostatin. As growth hormone rises, myostatin lowers, which unleashes your potential for muscle growth. As myostatin lowers glucocorticoids effect on fat storage and muscle breakdown lowers. CJC-1295 dramatically raises gh levels which will dramatically lower myostatin which in turn will lower the effects of glucocorticoids fat storage and muscle breakdown. Now you know what has changed that has turned the Pro's into Freaks.

Studies to prove it:

1) Improve Cardiovascular Functions Growth Hormone and Cardiovascular Risk Factors


2) Get Lean & Muscular Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy Improves Body Composition

3) Burn Fat Growth Hormone–Releasing Hormone in HIV-Infected Men With Lipodystrophy

4) Dosing and results Results of CJC-1295 in Healthy Adults

5) Anabolic GH's direct anabolic effect from lowering Myostatin

6) Burn Fat-Retain Muscle Lower Myostatin and prevent the catabolic effects of glucocorticoids

7) Prevent Obesity Glucocorticoids and Obesity

Steroids-GH-Myostatin Link

Read this study carefully, it will show that raising testosterone to supraphysiological levels increased pulsatile gh secretion. Supraphysiological is the key word here, cause anything less has no effect. Supraphysiological Test Levels increase GH

This study shows that androgens directly increase gh output without estrogen. Androgens directly increase GH

Raising Testosterone levels lowers Growth Hormone Binding Protein. This protein binds up excess gh. Testosterone lowering GHBP if you read the full text you will figure out that it's the spike in Test levels above normal from the shots that lowers GHBP proving that supraphysiological test levels raise gh and lowers GHBP

As you can see androgens can directly and indirectly raise growth hormone levels resulting in lowering Myostatin which you already learned increases muscle mass. On a side note leptin has a huge role in fat storage and as gh raises, leptin lowers. I won't delve into discussing leptin cause it can be complicated so do a search to learn more...



CJC-1295

Anti-Aging

Lets go beyond muscle building and fat loss and discuss the well documented anti-aging benefits of growth hormone. Since this info is so plenty full online I'll only outline the known benefits and let you fulfill you quest for Anti-Aging by doing your own research. The rate of GH secretion from the pituitary gland is at its peak around puberty, declining progressively as we age beyond that point. Around the late 30s and throughout the 40s, GH levels continue to dip considerably, causing the telltale signs of aging to appear. Fat tissue begins to collect in areas where it may have not before, the skin begins to lose thickness, bone mass becomes depleted, energy levels drop, and mental clarity may become clouded.

For the purposes of anti-aging therapy, GH treatment functions to re-stimulate cell production to youthful levels restoring form and function to the entire body, from the inside out. Those who have undergone successful anti-aging treatment with GH or a combination of GH and other diminishing hormones such as testosterone have been reported to experience improvement in the skin’s appearance, renewed energy, mental acuity, invigorated health, enhanced sexual function, an overall sense of well being and a more youthful lean muscled look. Hundreds of studies have been done on the controlled administration of true HGH in adults. It has been shown to raise energy levels, enhance lean muscle development, decrease body fat, strengthen the heart, improve cholesterol and triglyceride levels and HDL/LDL ratios, fortify bones, smooth out skin wrinkles, sharpen memory, improve sexual function, regenerate damaged tissue, strengthen the immune system as well as improve sleep.

Somatotropin (HGH) from the pituitary gland works by stimulating protein production and synthesis in all tissues of the body. This results in an increase in organ healing and regeneration, which is associated with increase resistance to illness and injury.

In the skin, documentation regarding somatotropin (HGH) supplementation has shown increased collagen synthesis, which makes the skin thicker and smoother. In the bone, these studies showed increased bone density. In the internal organs and sex organs, research showed increased size and markedly improved function.

The immune system, research also showed increased immune system regulation and activity, resulting in fewer infectious illnesses. In adults, HGH is necessary for proper repair and regeneration of injured tissues.

One of the widely reported results of somatotropin (HGH) supplementation is the effect it has on the body's sexual centers. Research shows heightened desire and function in both men and women.

Beginning around the age of 20 years old, our natural production of somatotropin (HGH) begins to decline at the average rate of 14% per decade.

By the age of 40, somatotropin (HGH) production has decreased 30% over our youthful production level, and by the age of 60, by 80% on average. The decline in somatotropin (HGH) correlates with many of the effects of aging including loss of lean body mass (muscle, bone, skin and internal organs), increase in total body fat, thinning and wrinkling of skin, decreased immune function and decreased sexual desire and function.

As a result of the decline in somatotropin (HGH), and because it is the master hormone, other hormones also decline with age, such as Testosterone, Estrogen, Progesterone and DHEA, as well as many other important mood-elevating hormones. Examples of other hormones that also decrease are thyroid and thymus hormones, which can cause menopause in women and andropause in men.

Growth Hormone can:

Restore muscle loss

Increase skin thickness

Reduce total body fat

Improve bone density

People have seen specific improvements from using HGH in:

Skin tightness and moisture

Mental speed and clarity

Enhanced sexual function

Elevated mood and energy levels

Improved aerobic capacity

Significantly greater immune function

Increased wound healing capacity



So, gh therapy sounds great for anti-aging so what's the catch... The catch is keeping your levels in a physicological level and to not exceed youthful levels. As with any hormone, raising levels above youthful normal levels can cause unwanted side effects which are easily noticed like joint problems, the development of carpel tunnel and excess water weight gain. Its simple, just lower your dose if you notice a problem. There is a huge difference between keeping levels well above normal for years for anti-aging and doing a cycle with gh/cjc-1295 that exceed normal levels. Short term higher levels have much less potitential to cause long term problems... Ok, so you are interested in anti-aging with cjc-1295, what dose should you use. When taking into consideration the studies on it's outcome of gh production, as little as 1mg weekly is needed and no more then 2mg a week. This makes CJC-1295 extremely cost effective. Vials could be shared with fellow researchers if only 1mg is used weekly. The lab states after reconsituting cjc-1295 it can be refrozen to be used later but is best used without refreezing, so there may be a slight potiency loss by doing this.

Dosing for Muscle Growth

In the studies 30mcg/kg or 60mcg/kg were used resulting in 2-10 fold in gh production. A 200lb man weighs aprox 90kg... thats 200 divided by 2.2 = 90 so thats 30mcg X 90=2700mcg=2.7mg or 60mcg X 90=5400mcg=5.4mg weekly these doses showed safety... I believe a minimum 2mg a week should be used and no more then 6mg... You decided but I say start low and work your way up to the dose you are comfortable with and remember to keep this short term to reach a specific goal and then go on an anti-aging dose between cycles which would also preserve the muscle growth you build during the cycle.





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Shipping:

Good for: 10 day's without refrigeration 3-5 day shipping times without refrigeration are no problem.

Storage: Immediately Freeze @ -20*C when you receive, 2yr storage time

Reconstituted: After reconstituting with Bacteriostatic Water use within 3-5 days
 
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How would only 30mcgs be equal to 5ius of hgh? I don't buy it at all. If this were the case, bbers would be spending their money on cjc and not on hgh then. I'm not convinced.
 
How would only 30mcgs be equal to 5ius of hgh? I don't buy it at all. If this were the case, bbers would be spending their money on cjc and not on hgh then. I'm not convinced.

i dont think tehy're saying that you'll get exactly the same results from doing that amount, they're saying the blood plasma level of igf1 after taking that amount stays the same as if you have done 5iu of hgh.

plus remember cjc hasnt been out that long in peptide terms. everyone know hgh because its been around tried and tested for decades. its not had its place out in the market to see what really happens.
 
That's a really mature response there, buddy. Goes to show you how many immature people are out there.

Actually-you are talking to probably one of the most knowledgable people in that area,DAT posted a TON of research and answered a lot of questions regarding the use of cjc.
 
How would only 30mcgs be equal to 5ius of hgh? I don't buy it at all. If this were the case, bbers would be spending their money on cjc and not on hgh then. I'm not convinced.

this is just a comment on your misinterpretation in in bold:

mcg/kg IS NOT the same as just mcg

Keep in mind that the dosage you are referring to above is approx 3mg (3000mcg) for a person weighing 100kg (220lbs).
 
That's a really mature response there, buddy. Goes to show you how many immature people are out there.

There is no bigger revolutionary in these peptides than datBtrue. He is THE main source of information on this subject. You should understand who you're talking to, and be thankful he even took his time to read what you wrote.
 
That's a really mature response there, buddy. Goes to show you how many immature people are out there.

Actually I started to correct your math the way Bobaslaw did later in the thread and then I erased it and typed "who cares".

I respect people and I respect their opinions. Someone posted a really cool phrase in the main forum.

"Never be the smartest person in the room. You can never learn anything that way."

So I try to always be in learning mode and I DO learn something from almost everybody.

But you were so quick & eager to share your ignorance...I figured you wanted to stay that way.
 
Actually I started to correct your math the way Bobaslaw did later in the thread and then I erased it and typed "who cares".

I respect people and I respect their opinions. Someone posted a really cool phrase in the main forum.

"Never be the smartest person in the room. You can never learn anything that way."

So I try to always be in learning mode and I DO learn something from almost everybody.

But you were so quick & eager to share your ignorance...I figured you wanted to stay that way.


I agree 100% and wanted to post a similar response to yours Dat :)

The attitude of a comment or question undoubtedly warrents a similar quality in the response given it....
 
Actually I started to correct your math the way Bobaslaw did later in the thread and then I erased it and typed "who cares".

I respect people and I respect their opinions. Someone posted a really cool phrase in the main forum.

"Never be the smartest person in the room. You can never learn anything that way."

So I try to always be in learning mode and I DO learn something from almost everybody.

But you were so quick & eager to share your ignorance...I figured you wanted to stay that way.

How was a I quick to share my ignorance? I was just stating how I felt about something. Since when is it ignorant to do that? You went overboard with your statement. I understand that you have posted informative info on peptides, but there was no need for you to make that comment. I like you also try to learn as much as I can from people, so we have more in common than you think. All I'm saying is next time there is no need to make comments like that. I have no beef with you for I too like you am here to learn. We cool?
 
The use of the word ignorant was not meant to be perjorative, merely descriptive. The 3rd definition of the term is "Unaware or uninformed".

"How would only 30mcgs be equal to 5ius of hgh? I don't buy it at all. " <- This is an unaware or uninformed comment.

"If this were the case, bbers would be spending their money on cjc and not on hgh then." <-This statement lacks logic and is most certainly not a conclusion that can be drawn from your prior ignorant statement.

"I'm not convinced." <- Once again who cares whether you are convinced or not.

You try to assert that the GH your own body makes is inferior in some way to synthetic GH made primarily in China. That is an unaware or uninformed belief. The kind of GH CJC-1295 invokes release of is THE exact kind that grew YOU from a fetus to a boy and from a boy to a man.

If my use of the term ignorant is offensive to you then you are choosing to see it as a perjorative word rather then what it actually means...unaware and uninformed.

You most definitely hold unaware and uninformed beliefs that you could have chosen to rectify by educating your self.

How was a I quick to share my ignorance? I was just stating how I felt about something. Since when is it ignorant to do that? You went overboard with your statement. I understand that you have posted informative info on peptides, but there was no need for you to make that comment. I like you also try to learn as much as I can from people, so we have more in common than you think. All I'm saying is next time there is no need to make comments like that. I have no beef with you for I too like you am here to learn. We cool?
 
I was trying to make peace with you. Yet you keep putting me down. I'm trying to move on here. So let's be mature adults and move on, because I'm sick of talking about this topic. It's on you now to either make peace or go the other way.
 

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