Seriously ? ?

[IntenseVolume]

I'm surprised no one yet mentioned the absurd irony that as a man who wants to be more masculine, even the most open minded Dr's will only give me a script for TRT that will take me into 1100-1200 range at best.

Were I a man who wanted to be a woman, Docs will gladly provide me with antiandrogens to suppress me from 700 down to 70.

Were I a woman who wants to be a man, they will Rx me Testosterone that will bring me to ten times over biological female range.

Oddly enough if I was a prepubescent boy wanting to accelerate into manhood with an RX, a doctor would encourage me to wait until I was 21 or 22 and only use exogenous hormones if I was well under normal range. He'd probably give me a stern talking to about the dangers of AAS, and possibly even warn my parents that my body dysmorphia could lead to dangerous behaviors in my teen years.

Were I a prepubescent girl requesting testosterone from my Dr. to transition to a man, he'd likely say "well your timing couldn't be more perfect!"

As Dynamo87 said earlier in the thread "at some point the crazy button was pressed and we have been on steady slide ever since."

Getting back to the original post and "The promoters want to create a space for men who feel like they don’t belong in the sport." This is illogical and absurd on its face. Sports are, by their nature, non-inclusive. If you "feel" like you don't belong in a sport, then you have to work to become someone who belongs. If you lack the genetics or anything else to have the work pay off, well, life isn't fair and the fact is, you don't belong. Not everyone can run a 40 yard dash in just over 4 seconds. Not everyone can vertical jump 44" in the air. Not everyone can toss a football 70 yards with accuracy or a baseball at 90mph. This is why sports are entertaining, because we are watching gifted people who train hard do incredible things. It is also why sports are a business. Ticket sales, advertising spots, sponsorships, and every other stream of revenue associated with sports is because gifted people capable of amazing feats, perform them as we watch. If you had a strongman competition for mildly strong average Joes, no one is going to pay to see that, or pay for an ad, nor sponsor an average guy for benching 95 lbs. on a machine.

It would be like saying "let's add a class to Olympic Diving competitions for people who don't know how to dive" or "there should be a few bouts in every UFC for people who have no fight skill, training, or experience, who are unathletic and do not have a competitive and combative nature." I mean how far does the slippery slope go. If you follow the logical thread, it's not just competing at a lower bar, it's like saying "you get to be in the competition without competing". I want to be in Wimbledon. I've never played tennis. I don't have a racquet. In fact I don't even really want to play per se, I just want to be included because I feel excluded. So I would like to walk onto the court wearing old sweats and a baseball cap, sit on my lawn chair and eat ice cream, while the crowd looks at me. Doesn't matter if my opponent is world ranked and zings 90mph forehands by me, or also sits at his end of the court reading a comic book. Thanks for including me. I feel better now.

OK rant over....

"This world needs an enema"- George Carlin

Inclusivity is the death of society and the birth of mediocrity.
Nothing that I can think of has ever improved by making it more inclusive.

 

[stackdizzy]

Yeah, no brother..instant incommunicado..not saying their aren’t tons of internet porn desensitized simps out there like that..but I don’t befriend those types.

You are the sum of the 5 people closest to you..I would never allow a person like that to be that close

Dude you don't know, if your best friend comes to you with so what bang trannies 15 years into you guys being friends are you going to be like see ya later. I am not banging em I don't care what he does with himself. Or guys you've know and talked to for a couple years you run into em at a club and they are dressed like woman, I do not care, hey pull up a chair. This girl I am seeing has a Gf and that's her primary relationship, I am just something on the side, i don't get hey how is your day, how you doing texts none of that shit. I just get hey when can we get together. Its perfect she is almost half my age.

 

[IntenseVolume]

Dude you don't know, if your best friend comes to you with so what bang trannies 15 years into you guys being friends are you going to be like see ya later. I am not banging em I don't care what he does with himself. Or guys you've know and talked to for a couple years you run into em at a club and they are dressed like woman, I do not care, hey pull up a chair. This girl I am seeing has a Gf and that's her primary relationship, I am just something on the side, i don't get hey how is your day, how you doing texts none of that shit. I just get hey when can we get together. Its perfect she is almost half my age.

They’d be cut out of my life. I have standards for those who I associate with. Especially some freak trying to look like a woman. If I don’t think they should be allowed around children or in society in general why would I ever have anything to do with them?

 

[Doitagain]

They’d be cut out of my life. I have standards for those who I associate with.

Same. I guess I'm a bad person by nowadays standards.

 

[IntenseVolume]

Same. I guess I'm a bad person by nowadays standards.

To be bad person by today’s standards is a good thing. It means you have morals, common decency and sense.

 

[stackdizzy]

They’d be cut out of my life. I have standards for those who I associate with. Especially some freak trying to look like a woman. If I don’t think they should be allowed around children or in society in general why would I ever have anything to do with them?

To be bad person by today’s standards is a good thing. It means you have morals, common decency and sense.

You sound like some old nun in a shitty movie...lol

 

[IntenseVolume]

You sound like some old nun in a shitty movie...lol

Coming from your kind I’ll wear that proudly.

 

[Muay Thai]

Dude you don't know, if your best friend comes to you with so what bang trannies 15 years into you guys being friends are you going to be like see ya later. I am not banging em I don't care what he does with himself. Or guys you've know and talked to for a couple years you run into em at a club and they are dressed like woman, I do not care, hey pull up a chair. This girl I am seeing has a Gf and that's her primary relationship, I am just something on the side, i don't get hey how is your day, how you doing texts none of that shit. I just get hey when can we get together. Its perfect she is almost half my age.

while I agree with the other sentiment about the sport being tainted, I have to say I have a few clients who are solid individuals who are homosexual, 1 of them is a transexual, and another guy I went to HS with and was cool with (he was my hs sweethearts homey from middle school) . is now a full on, female, and if you didn't know him before, you'd be hard to tell he's not a woman now, but he goes by leo still lol go figure at least he's keeping it real!

I think everyone has the right to be happy but not at the expense of tax payer dollars, nor at the expense of indoctrinating our kids and rewriting the english language with strange and odd pronouns. If you were born a man you are biologically a man, even with the hormone treatment and reassignment surgery, you are a transexual male to female, which is cool do your thang, but keep the agendas out the media, out of schools, out of everyone who does not care business. its absurd, they promote that crap more than man and woman marriage, they took god totally out of school only to replace it with 6996 poisonous material, I had to take my 13 year old out of sex ed, he knew already what time it was and how men and women procreate, if he was gay I would never turn my back on him, I would warn him of the social consequences, but I would NEVER turn my back on him, luckily he's had girlfriends since 6 grade and loves women, but his focus is on school and sports. no dating rn until highschool and grades are 3.5 or above

federal prison is giving free HRT gender reassignment meds to anyone who asks, including illegal paisa immigrants, its insane, tax payer dollars

I don't have a lot of solid friends, I have two friends, vicon is one who I admire in every aspect and he earned t hat, but these cats are successful inside and out in every way possible and excellent influences, but I would not shun someone because they are gay unless they made advances at me. just keep your biz to yourself, most gentleman emphasis on gentleman, are not out there bragging about the dirty dog shit they do in the bedroom with their female partners, and if they do they are repulsive to me, its immature to brag

 

[Doitagain]

To be bad person by today’s standards is a good thing. It means you have morals, common decency and sense.

Then I' m doomed to extintion.

 

[stackdizzy]

Coming from your kind I’ll wear that proudly.

Is that the kind that just accepts people for who they are?

 

[Oldwhitedude]

Yeah sorry man, I've cut people out of my life for less.

But then I live a very boring life by comparison.

That's my stance though and it may have been confused by my comments in this thread (or the social media one) but the reason I'm not that bothered by social media or phones etc is because I don't let myself get bothered. I don't like social media so I've mostly un-installed it on my phone.

I don't like the busyness of modern life so I meditate to balance my mind.

In the same vein I don't tolerate those kind of people in my life. If my best friend came out tomorrow saying he's banging trannies, he's dead to me.

 

[qbkilla]

To be bad person by today’s standards is a good thing. It means you have morals, common decency and sense.

Spot on

 

[Muay Thai]

Yeah sorry man, I've cut people out of my life for less.

But then I live a very boring life by comparison.

That's my stance though and it may have been confused by my comments in this thread (or the social media one) but the reason I'm not that bothered by social media or phones etc is because I don't let myself get bothered. I don't like social media so I've mostly un-installed it on my phone.

I don't like the busyness of modern life so I meditate to balance my mind.

In the same vein I don't tolerate those kind of people in my life. If my best friend came out tomorrow saying he's banging trannies, he's dead to me.

honestly one has to also respect someone who is this resolute in their morals, even if it is perceived as dualistic and outdated by the newer gen, I am extremely stern in some of my other beliefs, but I believe as humans we should be malleable at least to knowledge, or we see everything from a pre frontal cortex induced cookie cutter vision, and exclude any new information, theories, possibilities, but I can respect anyone who is against this shit, more than someone who is confused af and part of this strange crusade.

 

[Eguz22]

Dude you don't know, if your best friend comes to you with so what bang trannies 15 years into you guys being friends are you going to be like see ya later. I am not banging em I don't care what he does with himself. Or guys you've know and talked to for a couple years you run into em at a club and they are dressed like woman, I do not care, hey pull up a chair. This girl I am seeing has a Gf and that's her primary relationship, I am just something on the side, i don't get hey how is your day, how you doing texts none of that shit. I just get hey when can we get together. Its perfect she is almost half my age.

If he's your best friend, you should know that kind of weird stuff before you wait 15 years to find out.

 

[stackdizzy]

If he's your best friend, you should know that kind of weird stuff before you wait 15 years to find out.

Yea dude ya know what's your stance on trannies just never came up. I don't know maybe this is a psa for everyone to discuss this info with friends and family. Not once did I think I am not going to be friends with you even enter my mind. I just went to train and I had this on my mind and I cannot even wrap my head around that logic. You know if you're a solid dude who does what you say and I can always rely on you to be honest. And I can actually trust you and i don't mean trust what you'll do but actually trust you, well that is something i value highly. I mean if he actually went through with it I would laugh and call him a sick bastard and then ask how was it. You would have to be a child molester or a serial rapist or do some deplorable shit or I can't even think of right now, or just misrepresent yourself for me to end a relationship once I considered you a friend. Or if you had a bunch of recreational drugs beyond weed around you all the time as I would not want to be associated with that or be around if they get in trouble but none of my close friends do that. I would not stop being that persons friend I would just tell them not to have me around when they are doing drugs and those people seem to have drifted away. Say what you will about gay people they have girlfriends that want dick and lucky for me those girls aren't too terribly picky. I've definitely had situations where I get a call at 2-3 in the morning and I am pre sold(to a woman) and just have to show up that come from gay people.

Anyway I won't beat a dead horse I doubt I am changing anyones mind here. Wish everyone well regardless of your choice

 

[qbkilla]

Yea dude ya know what's your stance on trannies just never came up. I don't know maybe this is a psa for everyone to discuss this info with friends and family. Not once did I think I am not going to be friends with you even enter my mind. I just went to train and I had this on my mind and I cannot even wrap my head around that logic. You know if you're a solid dude who does what you say and I can always rely on you to be honest. And I can actually trust you and i don't mean trust what you'll do but actually trust you, well that is something i value highly. I mean if he actually went through with it I would laugh and call him a sick bastard and then ask how was it. You would have to be a child molester or a serial rapist or do some deplorable shit or I can't even think of right now, or just misrepresent yourself for me to end a relationship once I considered you a friend. Or if you had a bunch of recreational drugs beyond weed around you all the time as I would not want to be associated with that or be around if they get in trouble but none of my close friends do that. I would not stop being that persons friend I would just tell them not to have me around when they are doing drugs and those people seem to have drifted away. Say what you will about gay people they have girlfriends that want dick and lucky for me those girls aren't too terribly picky. I've definitely had situations where I get a call at 2-3 in the morning and I am pre sold(to a woman) and just have to show up that come from gay people.

Anyway I won't beat a dead horse I doubt I am changing anyones mind here. Wish everyone well regardless of your choice

All true. I think what brothers many people than the natural disgust feeling that comes from the thought of 2 men, is the whole narrative of "look at me!!" And "I'm a victim I need special treatment." One of my tattoo artists is gay and my age and can't stand the whole homosexual agenda. He is gay but according to him, doesn't have sex with men because he is well aware of the high numbers and rates of hiv. I think HIV rates among tranny are also through the roof.

 

[Hyperemia]

All true. I think what brothers many people than the natural disgust feeling that comes from the thought of 2 men, is the whole narrative of "look at me!!" And "I'm a victim I need special treatment." One of my tattoo artists is gay and my age and can't stand the whole homosexual agenda. He is gay but according to him, doesn't have sex with men because he is well aware of the high numbers and rates of hiv. I think HIV rates among tranny are also through the roof.

Sounds like a made up story.

 

[fisther69]

Dude you don't know, if your best friend comes to you with so what bang trannies 15 years into you guys being friends are you going to be like see ya later. I am not banging em I don't care what he does with himself. Or guys you've know and talked to for a couple years you run into em at a club and they are dressed like woman, I do not care, hey pull up a chair. This girl I am seeing has a Gf and that's her primary relationship, I am just something on the side, i don't get hey how is your day, how you doing texts none of that shit. I just get hey when can we get together. Its perfect she is almost half my age.

I have had shit like that happen..instantly cut ties..I don’t keep people who are about wierd shit around..period.

One of my best friends for instance..had his first son this morning..last night he had to admit to all of us they he had been cheating on his wife and got caught the day before she gave birth..with 3 women..

He was a close friend..the sum of the five closest people to you define you..he is no longer anywhere near that 5

 

[Jefe]

.the sum of the five closest people to you define you.

I’m a then!

 

[stackdizzy]

I have had shit like that happen..instantly cut ties..I don’t keep people who are about wierd shit around..period.

One of my best friends for instance..had his first son this morning..last night he had to admit to all of us they he had been cheating on his wife and got caught the day before she gave birth..with 3 women..

He was a close friend..the sum of the five closest people to you define you..he is no longer anywhere near that 5

Ok this is the last response I am giving in this thread. I have a good friend recently got caught cheating on his wife maybe month ago. He got on some website and drives all over the midwest with these one night stands. He is 20 years older than me . His wife is nice but I give 0 fucks he's out cheating. i do somewhat care if he gets caught again. He's pretty well off so he'll be ok but still. Though I guess his wife had cheating on him before. Personally i'd end the relationship with my wife if I was him. I mean he is 65 but he looks way way younger and his wife looks 65. It's kind of a mismatch. Anyway its just another example of I don't care what people do with themselves. You feel it's a reflection on you, I personally don't. I have a few drinks with a couple of cool guys that like to dress up like women and meet other guys it in no way makes me want to do that. One won worlds in no gi jujitsu and for a time was the best in the world. He makes an above average income doing private security for vips that come to town. Like famous people you've heard of. I told him to get his faggot ass dressed up as we going to the strip club on me. I am not going to shuffle the friendship cards and see who just moved up because I feel that it is a reflection of me. It would not make me want to cheat on my gf, dress up like a girl, bang dudes, trannies, whatever. The stuff you say is weird, I say its just people doing what makes them happy. like I ain't normal why the fuck do I want to talk to a bunch of guys that have kids, a wife they hate, and feel trapped. Thats boring to me, I'd much rather spend time with someone new and interesting. In my younger years I was a social butterfly and knew a lot of people who would hang out at specific clubs. So if that what I was in the mood for i'd get ready and head out no call. If they weren't there i just go to another place I know. I severely limit who can contact me these days and everyone I know knows to ask me before giving out my number.

I mean you do steroids don't you? Do you find that weird? What do your friends think about it?