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Hey guys,
I've seen a lot of posts about this type of stuff lately here and on other sites and I felt I needed to point a few things out that I've learned over the past couple of years. I have personally seen more people than I care to mention with infections over the last year or so and even more recently (it seems that dirty gear and crazy injection volumes have brought on an epidemic). I happen to be around a lot of people who are using and I have helped a few out so when ever anyone in my area thinks they had a bad shot they have come to me with the old "do you think I need to see a doctor?" question. Now I am not trying to come off like a know it all. Everthing I say here was told to me by a Doctor that I have sent these people to. I am only restating his knowledge to help people before they let things go far.
Some things anyone using needs to know:
1. Not all infection is accompanied by a "detectable" fever. Especially in the first few days. If an infection goes untreated too long you will have to have it drained. If the body encapsulates it and you get an abcess the doc will be going in with a knife.
2. Massaging of the injection site immediately can cause some of the liquid to travel back up the needle path and deposit under the skin. Your body cannot absorb it from there and it will cause an infection. That's not to say don't rub it-it's just something to think about if you get sore and inflamed and you are SURE that it can't be an infection becuase you did everything right-it can.
3. Injecting in the arms too deep and depositing the solution under the muscle between the muscle and the bone will cause an infection as the body cannot absorb it efficiently there either. This will also happen if you deposit the solution between muscles as well. The solution needs to be injected right into the belly-this is why most Doctors will hit the glutes where there is less chance of missing the middle of the belly. Not too mention less possible nerves.
4. If you think there's no way your stuff can be dirty or you use perfect sterile technique, think again. The doc said he has had many people he's given shots to (all kinds-not just roids) come back with infections. Slip ups happen and if he can mess up and he does it for a living what makes us think we are infallible.
5. If you get an infection and you go and see the doc immediately he will probably put you on Keflex. The pain will dissipate by the next day and within a week or so all traces will be gone. If you wait too long he will have to drain-or worse cut it-and you will have a nasty scar and a hole in the muscle.
6. If your doc wants to cut it or drain it immediately, ask him about trying an antibiotic for a couple of days first. Even in an infection thats gone a couple of weeks there is still a chance it will go down-if youre lucky.
I will give three quick examples:
John: Shot himself in the left glute with 1cc Tren on a sunday. Monday morning he was sore but thought it was normal and shot his other Glute with another cc of tren. Tuesday morning he gets up and his left glute is on fire but the right is fine. By the end of the day he can't sit down. He calls me on tuesday night and I beg him to go to my Doc. He says he's going to give it another day and Wed morning he wakes up (after very little sleep) and his left glute is twice the size of his right and it is noticeable to everyone without even being pointed out. He goes to the ER and the doctor gives him an hour speech on roid abuse then drains it by cutting a 2" ditch and leaves the wick in and tells him to change the gause a couple of times a day (no antibiotic was given). A week later he's still in pain. I send him to my guy who puts him on an injectable antibiotic and the next day the pain is subsiding 3 days later he stiches up the hole. A couple of weeks go by and he's good as new. My Doc said if he was treated with a regular dose of Keflex he would have been fine in 3 days. The doc said that the tren was fine (or else he would have had the infection on both sides) but he must've had some bacteria on the skin surface and get pulled in by the needle.
Mike: Not the brightest bulb in the circuit. Shoots 2 cc's of sust 250 into each bicep. An hour later he can't even straighten his arms. His biceps are visibly swolen and red. His "buddy" the all knowing steroid guru patrick tells him to soak in hot water than massage the hell out of them. Mike comes to me a few days later with 21" arms (they were only about 18 before-lol) and asks my advice. I send him to my Doc and he says that the hot water thinnned out the oil and the massage forced it back up the needle track under the skin where the body couldn't break it down and an infection ensued. Keflex to the rescue and 3 days later no more pain and arms back to their origional size within another week. (since then he's had 3 more infections-all treated immediately and all 100% recovered-the Doc is starting to think he's an idiot though)
Eric: Hit his quads with some QV enanthate. Had trouble bending his leg. It got really bad after about a week but Eric is an aminal and just upped his percocet consuption. SIX MONTHS LATER he still hadn't gotten it looked at and was sick all the time. He finally passed out at a dance club and was rushed to the ER in an ambulance. After a 6 hour operation and 50% of his quad removed he was moved to ICU for a few days until he finally came home about 2 weeks later. If you look at his quad now it looks like someone removed it with a chain saw.
The moral of the story: If you think it is even remotely possible that it could be an infection go to your doctor. If it's not: the worst thing that's happened is you wasted $10 on a co-pay for peace of mind. If it is: you may save yourself an unneeded surgery and a lot of headache. This post is in no way meant to be a diagnosis or to be used in place of a physicians advice. I just want to make sure people seek out proffesional help before it's too late.
I've seen a lot of posts about this type of stuff lately here and on other sites and I felt I needed to point a few things out that I've learned over the past couple of years. I have personally seen more people than I care to mention with infections over the last year or so and even more recently (it seems that dirty gear and crazy injection volumes have brought on an epidemic). I happen to be around a lot of people who are using and I have helped a few out so when ever anyone in my area thinks they had a bad shot they have come to me with the old "do you think I need to see a doctor?" question. Now I am not trying to come off like a know it all. Everthing I say here was told to me by a Doctor that I have sent these people to. I am only restating his knowledge to help people before they let things go far.
Some things anyone using needs to know:
1. Not all infection is accompanied by a "detectable" fever. Especially in the first few days. If an infection goes untreated too long you will have to have it drained. If the body encapsulates it and you get an abcess the doc will be going in with a knife.
2. Massaging of the injection site immediately can cause some of the liquid to travel back up the needle path and deposit under the skin. Your body cannot absorb it from there and it will cause an infection. That's not to say don't rub it-it's just something to think about if you get sore and inflamed and you are SURE that it can't be an infection becuase you did everything right-it can.
3. Injecting in the arms too deep and depositing the solution under the muscle between the muscle and the bone will cause an infection as the body cannot absorb it efficiently there either. This will also happen if you deposit the solution between muscles as well. The solution needs to be injected right into the belly-this is why most Doctors will hit the glutes where there is less chance of missing the middle of the belly. Not too mention less possible nerves.
4. If you think there's no way your stuff can be dirty or you use perfect sterile technique, think again. The doc said he has had many people he's given shots to (all kinds-not just roids) come back with infections. Slip ups happen and if he can mess up and he does it for a living what makes us think we are infallible.
5. If you get an infection and you go and see the doc immediately he will probably put you on Keflex. The pain will dissipate by the next day and within a week or so all traces will be gone. If you wait too long he will have to drain-or worse cut it-and you will have a nasty scar and a hole in the muscle.
6. If your doc wants to cut it or drain it immediately, ask him about trying an antibiotic for a couple of days first. Even in an infection thats gone a couple of weeks there is still a chance it will go down-if youre lucky.
I will give three quick examples:
John: Shot himself in the left glute with 1cc Tren on a sunday. Monday morning he was sore but thought it was normal and shot his other Glute with another cc of tren. Tuesday morning he gets up and his left glute is on fire but the right is fine. By the end of the day he can't sit down. He calls me on tuesday night and I beg him to go to my Doc. He says he's going to give it another day and Wed morning he wakes up (after very little sleep) and his left glute is twice the size of his right and it is noticeable to everyone without even being pointed out. He goes to the ER and the doctor gives him an hour speech on roid abuse then drains it by cutting a 2" ditch and leaves the wick in and tells him to change the gause a couple of times a day (no antibiotic was given). A week later he's still in pain. I send him to my guy who puts him on an injectable antibiotic and the next day the pain is subsiding 3 days later he stiches up the hole. A couple of weeks go by and he's good as new. My Doc said if he was treated with a regular dose of Keflex he would have been fine in 3 days. The doc said that the tren was fine (or else he would have had the infection on both sides) but he must've had some bacteria on the skin surface and get pulled in by the needle.
Mike: Not the brightest bulb in the circuit. Shoots 2 cc's of sust 250 into each bicep. An hour later he can't even straighten his arms. His biceps are visibly swolen and red. His "buddy" the all knowing steroid guru patrick tells him to soak in hot water than massage the hell out of them. Mike comes to me a few days later with 21" arms (they were only about 18 before-lol) and asks my advice. I send him to my Doc and he says that the hot water thinnned out the oil and the massage forced it back up the needle track under the skin where the body couldn't break it down and an infection ensued. Keflex to the rescue and 3 days later no more pain and arms back to their origional size within another week. (since then he's had 3 more infections-all treated immediately and all 100% recovered-the Doc is starting to think he's an idiot though)
Eric: Hit his quads with some QV enanthate. Had trouble bending his leg. It got really bad after about a week but Eric is an aminal and just upped his percocet consuption. SIX MONTHS LATER he still hadn't gotten it looked at and was sick all the time. He finally passed out at a dance club and was rushed to the ER in an ambulance. After a 6 hour operation and 50% of his quad removed he was moved to ICU for a few days until he finally came home about 2 weeks later. If you look at his quad now it looks like someone removed it with a chain saw.
The moral of the story: If you think it is even remotely possible that it could be an infection go to your doctor. If it's not: the worst thing that's happened is you wasted $10 on a co-pay for peace of mind. If it is: you may save yourself an unneeded surgery and a lot of headache. This post is in no way meant to be a diagnosis or to be used in place of a physicians advice. I just want to make sure people seek out proffesional help before it's too late.
