This is what I'm thinking

[blindelephant]

First, the story:
I’m 34, 5’11, 190 pounds, been training since I was 19, only took time off when work demanded it or I was injured, but I’ve been training hardcore for the last 15 years. I have been all natural so far. I first had my T levels taken about 2 ½ years ago and they were low, 278 out of a range of 240-1100. I retested 2 times after that and the results were similar. This definitely seemed to answer the question of why I have such a hard time gaining muscle. I didn’t do anything because the wife and I were trying to have kids and I didn’t want to mess with my sperm count, which was a little low already. Now I’m ready to start feeling better, I’ve read all of the symptoms of low T and I have most of them. I think I need to be on TRT but my doc doesn’t seem to have a clue and I don’t think he wants to put me on it anyway. Besides, I’ve been wanting to do my first cycle for quite a while now. I may eventually go on doctor supported TRT, but right now I’m taking matters into my own hands.
The Plan:
I’m gonna run 500 mg test E a week for about 12 weeks with Dbol at 40 mg for the first 4 weeks. After that I plan on tapering down to 100 mg of test a week, which is a standard TRT dosage.
My question:
Once I’m normalized at 100 mg a week, should I taper down to nothing and start pct, go to the doc after a few weeks and have my levels tested and have him put me on TRT (if he’s willing) or should I stay on the 100 mg test a week (say F**k the doc) for a few months and then think about a new cycle? Any questions, responses, or insults are welcome.

 

[oldfella]

First, the story:
I’m 34, 5’11, 190 pounds, been training since I was 19, only took time off when work demanded it or I was injured, but I’ve been training hardcore for the last 15 years. I have been all natural so far. I first had my T levels taken about 2 ½ years ago and they were low, 278 out of a range of 240-1100. I retested 2 times after that and the results were similar. This definitely seemed to answer the question of why I have such a hard time gaining muscle. I didn’t do anything because the wife and I were trying to have kids and I didn’t want to mess with my sperm count, which was a little low already. Now I’m ready to start feeling better, I’ve read all of the symptoms of low T and I have most of them. I think I need to be on TRT but my doc doesn’t seem to have a clue and I don’t think he wants to put me on it anyway. Besides, I’ve been wanting to do my first cycle for quite a while now. I may eventually go on doctor supported TRT, but right now I’m taking matters into my own hands.
The Plan:
I’m gonna run 500 mg test E a week for about 12 weeks with Dbol at 40 mg for the first 4 weeks. After that I plan on tapering down to 100 mg of test a week, which is a standard TRT dosage.
My question:
Once I’m normalized at 100 mg a week, should I taper down to nothing and start pct, go to the doc after a few weeks and have my levels tested and have him put me on TRT (if he’s willing) or should I stay on the 100 mg test a week (say F**k the doc) for a few months and then think about a new cycle? Any questions, responses, or insults are welcome.

My 2cents, Don't start with 500mg/wk. If standard TRT is 100mg/wk then start with 250. This is still above twice the recommended amount and will produce good gains and you will feel good. Keep your diet in order. if you are going to go on TRT..........for the rest of your life there is no need for PCT. Just keep an anti-e on hand in case you need it! You can use the 250 p/wk for a longer period and then just back off to 100 when you want. Leave the d-bol alone. You don't need it!

 

[blindelephant]

Thanks for the reply. It makes a lot of sense to start at 250 mg a week to see how I feel and how my body reacts, ease it in so to speak. If I feel I need to adjust my dosage a bit, its probably easier to make slight adjustments up rather than down.

 

[Dad]

Try 6 weeks instead of 10. THe half-life on test enanthate is about 8 days, so after the 6th week shot, it will still take 6 weeks to clear all this.

Run nolvadex and/or arimidex starting at week 3, and continue this for 6 weeks after yuor last shot to keep excess estrogen down whaile yuo normalize. Yuo'll retain gains better and avoid problems with bloating, increased BP, etc.

 

[cvictorg]

Regarding the test - would you suggest test E, test C or sustanon?

 

[ALLEX]

I think you're a little too young to start HRT. I'd try some tribulus, HCG and/or proviron and do another blood test before going for a cycle.

Good luck.

 

[blindelephant]

I think you're a little too young to start HRT. I'd try some tribulus, HCG and/or proviron and do another blood test before going for a cycle.

Good luck.

I've tried every legal test booster under the sun and I've had five blood tests over the last 2 1/2 years that confirm my test levels are extremely low(average about 280 out of a range of 240-1100). I think its time to try a new approach. Besides, what does my age matter if my test levels are in the toilet, plus 34 is probably borderline.

 

[blindelephant]

Regarding the test - would you suggest test E, test C or sustanon?

I plan on using Test E.

 

[ALLEX]

I've tried every legal test booster under the sun and I've had five blood tests over the last 2 1/2 years that confirm my test levels are extremely low(average about 280 out of a range of 240-1100). I think its time to try a new approach. Besides, what does my age matter if my test levels are in the toilet, plus 34 is probably borderline.

I didn't know you had tried them.
Just go for it, bro. Good luck.

 

[finny]

How are you feeling in general, lethargic, no sex drive?

If your goals are to build more muscle in shorter period of time, then do a cycle. Otherwise, stick with HRT.

I was in a similar situation to you. I'm 37. When I reflect back, since mid-last year, I started feeling lethargic, no sex drive, etc.

Started reading about cycles, stumbled onto HRT. Found an HRT doc, got tested, started my first cycle, started HRT.

I'd say, it takes a while for things to normalize once you have low test. I would go with 500mg of test per week and have a 12 week run. After that, go straight to HRT and over the next few weeks your test inject will taper off.

For HRT, I've started with androgel. I think it is pretty good but the worry of transfer to family members scares me. Stopped it, at least during summer months, and went onto Androil. I don't think Androil is as good as androgel. With androgel, the delivery seems to be more consistent.

If your insurance covers it, I'd say go with androgel/androil (pretty expensive). This will give you time off from needles as well. Myself, I'm able to up the dosage of either androgel/androil as I was doing the cycle and I have much more than I need between refills. Will probably up the androil slightly once I get the wife pregnant. For now, have to keep it low profile and take my HCG.

 

[blindelephant]

I think I have decided to go with 300 mg of Test E a week for 10 weeks with .25 adex eod. I have chosen the lower dose because I have been living with low T for so long, I think I should see fairly good results from 300 mg a week and also see exactly how my body responds to the extra Test. The adex might not be necessary with this dose but I'm kind of scared of the estrogen problems, I think I may have a bit of gyno already left over from when I was a little chunky as an adolescent. Thanks for all of your input so far, it is much appreciated.

 

[George23]

Insurance

If your insurance covers it, I'd say go with androgel/androil (pretty expensive).

Is it commonplace for most insurance policies to cover this sort of thing?

 

[finny]

Is it commonplace for most insurance policies to cover this sort of thing?

In Canada, it is. In US, varies between insurance companies/packages that you have.

 

[finny]

I think I have decided to go with 300 mg of Test E a week for 10 weeks with .25 adex eod. I have chosen the lower dose because I have been living with low T for so long, I think I should see fairly good results from 300 mg a week and also see exactly how my body responds to the extra Test. The adex might not be necessary with this dose but I'm kind of scared of the estrogen problems, I think I may have a bit of gyno already left over from when I was a little chunky as an adolescent. Thanks for all of your input so far, it is much appreciated.

That was my thinking before I did my cycle as well. I thought since my natural test levels are low I should respond better. No one seemed to agree so I went with 500mg/wk. Even at that dosage, I expected more in terms or results/feeling.

Some people respond differently. You might be one of them...

 

[Blazed_Noob]

If you do plan on using D-Bol no matter what i would not go over 2 weeks on it , it will do what it has to do within those 2 weeks , also it has been known to become toxic to the liver if taken over a long period of time