Wanting to start a very easy/basic cycle

[kscowboy]

Ok i am trying to set up a very easy and basic cycle. I am not wanting to do a ton of gear and i am trying to keep it as simple as possible without having to run a ton of pct as well. This cycle will be used to add as much muscle as possible and to keep loosing bf. I am going to be using an ECA fat burner to help with the bf reduction. Diet is very very clean and cardio is done 5 times a week for 40 minutes each time. I did quite a bit of gear back in the 90's but it was all trial and error. SO i am not new to AAS but am wanting to get back on a simple cycle.

So i am thinking about running 500mg of Test E per week for 10 weeks. I read an older thread that someone recommended running some HCG with it as well. This low of a dose shouldnt need a huge PCT if any at all??

ANy input is greatly appreciated. KS

 

[jm425]

500mgs of test per week is perfect for a simple cycle. As for the hcg, I don't think it's needed. Now if you were running deca or tren then you would definately need it because those compounds shut you down a lot harder than test. Also, you would need to do pct even if you decide to run 500mgs of test a week because your hpta will be suppressed.

 

[kscowboy]

Thanks for the reply. Yeah i want to keep as much of the gains as possible and dont want my test production to shut down. But i have read conflicting reports about needing hcg or pct. Some people say i would not need to run either since this is such a low does cycle.

ALSO is Test E my best choice for this type of cycle. I want it simple, add muscle and help me lean out. Thanks KS

 

[EasyEJL]

500mg a week isn't a low dose cycle, if you look back to the 80 and even 90s 250-300mg a week were normal starter cycles. 500 a week puts you at roughly 2.5-3x over top of natural human testosterone production.

 

[fatguy]

Because everyone is different, PCT may be rough, long and drawn out for some, and simple short and east for others.

Your statement looks to be the standard statement of all beginners and dream of all people who lift...

"I want to add muscle, lose fat, and have no sides... I would like to do this at the least cost also."

Of course everyone wants this.

A nice small cycle of test only should help, but it will shut you down. It may cause major sides in you, it may cause none. Plus your body is different now than it was back in the 90's.

If you feel you are at your natural max, go for a run of test only... look to run it for 8 weeks, and be sure to run a proper PCT that matches your body.

I had run cycles in the past where I was told I didn't need an AI or HCG, and I bought them anyway. I was glad I did, as I needed them.

Better to be safe than sorry.

Truthfully, if you haven't done any cycles in a while, and/or you want a rally basic cycle, why not try a lower dose. Try 350mg/wk of test e in bi weekly doses (175mg each). Or do an old school front load with 500mg/wk for the first 2-3 weeks, and then drop to 350mg/wk for the remainder.

Sometimes less is more.

 

[kscowboy]

VERY GOOD INPUT right there fatguy. You hit the nail on the head. I think i will go ahead and run HCG along with some sort of PCT. Gonna go back and find out my hcg and pct protocol and incorporate them with this cycle. Thanks to everyone for the input. Its boards like this that help keep people like me on the right track. KS

 

[fatguy]

HCG use should occur at the end of a cycle and used to bridge the game till PCT. HCG can cause estrogen levels to rise significantly, so the use of an Estro Blocker and/or AI or Suicide Inhibitor is good to run along side, and the correct the doses during PCT.

Basically in the last week of the cycle and the 2 week gap before PCT begins, HCG should be run.

If the cycle length is long, then mild use for about 2 weeks mid cycle is preferred.

If you have Estrogen related issues, go with low doses of HCG jabbedmore often...

 

[kscowboy]

WOW there is a ton of different views on HCG. BUt most say to run 5000iu every 4 weeks. And some say to run HCG during the pct as well. So here is what i am thinking for HCG and pct:

THis is if i run 500mg/wk Test E for 10 weeks:

week 4: 5000iu HCG
week 8: 5000iu HCG

PCT:
week 12: 5000HCg & Nolvadex 20mg ed
Week 13: Nolva 20mg ed
Week 14: Nolva 10mg ed
Week 15: Nolva 10mg ed

Thoughts on HCG and my PCT?

 

[Ironmanpits]

You may find BigA's article "Growth principles for beginners" helpful...good solid info for people at any level.

 

[kscowboy]

Yeah i have been through it and it is some very good info. But i keep reading conflicting reports in regards to HCG. SO thats why i posted how i am considering running it. I am going to go back to Big A's thread again and double check a couple of things. Thanks KS