DES is stronger then people realize. You can get away with a daily dose of 60mcgs and still notice substantial gains. Be aware, expect to gain some visceral fat in your abdominal region. DES spikes your cortisol levels through the roof. I used to sponsor for a large Peptide company, whom used to be on this board, I wont mention names, it offends sponsors who are here paying to advertise. I gave away about 6 vials to some friends, this is when DES first hit the market. I gave 2 bottles to two friends, they both eat clean and train properly, all 3 of us gained muscle, but too much fat comes along with it. It spikes your cortisol through the roof. If you really try to find solid info on des, you wont find any. In my opinion I do not feel that DES is a safe compound to run. Im not bashing the product, Im just sharing my experience with DES. Put it this way, when I worked for EP, I would actually advise clients from buying it. If you aren't worried about cortisol levels, DES will def put size on you in a short amount of time! Im not trying to sound like a pu--y, but I truly believe its a dangerous compound. Ive never had any compound, including aas put on size in such a short time. There is not enough solid info on this product! Search the board for some solid info, "stay away from Wikipedia"...How many bottles would I need to research this for 3-4 months? Dosage and timing? I know this has been discussed but I can't seem to find all the answers....maybe adult add onset!
BTW, 3 to 4 months is way too long to be on a continues cycle of IGF-lr3, or DES. 50 to 60 days at most!!!!!DES is stronger then people realize. You can get away with a daily dose of 60mcgs and still notice substantial gains. Be aware, expect to gain some visceral fat in your abdominal region. DES spikes your cortisol levels through the roof. I used to sponsor for a large Peptide company, whom used to be on this board, I wont mention names, it offends sponsors who are here paying to advertise. I gave away about 6 vials to some friends, this is when DES first hit the market. I gave 2 bottles to two friends, they both eat clean and train properly, all 3 of us gained muscle, but too much fat comes along with it. It spikes your cortisol through the roof. If you really try to find solid info on des, you wont find any. In my opinion I do not feel that DES is a safe compound to run. Im not bashing the product, Im just sharing my experience with DES. Put it this way, when I worked for EP, I would actually advise clients from buying it. If you aren't worried about cortisol levels, DES will def put size on you in a short amount of time! Im not trying to sound like a pu--y, but I truly believe its a dangerous compound. Ive never had any compound, including aas put on size in such a short time. There is not enough solid info on this product! Search the board for some solid info, "stay away from Wikipedia"...
This was my protocol..
1. 30 to 40 mcgs pinned in the muscle during training, alongside 5 grams of arginine , and 400mgs of caffeine.
2. About 6 hrs later, I would pin another 30 to 40mcgs, alongside 5 grams of arginine. Im a huge fan of micro dosing, especially in the MGF, or IGF family. my daily total intake would be between 60 to 80 mcgs.
It sucks to train your ass off, eat clean, and gain visceral fat??? No bueno on DES!!!!
DES is stronger then people realize. You can get away with a daily dose of 60mcgs and still notice substantial gains. Be aware, expect to gain some visceral fat in your abdominal region. DES spikes your cortisol levels through the roof. I used to sponsor for a large Peptide company, whom used to be on this board, I wont mention names, it offends sponsors who are here paying to advertise. I gave away about 6 vials to some friends, this is when DES first hit the market. I gave 2 bottles to two friends, they both eat clean and train properly, all 3 of us gained muscle, but too much fat comes along with it. It spikes your cortisol through the roof. If you really try to find solid info on des, you wont find any. In my opinion I do not feel that DES is a safe compound to run. Im not bashing the product, Im just sharing my experience with DES. Put it this way, when I worked for EP, I would actually advise clients from buying it. If you aren't worried about cortisol levels, DES will def put size on you in a short amount of time! Im not trying to sound like a pu--y, but I truly believe its a dangerous compound. Ive never had any compound, including aas put on size in such a short time. There is not enough solid info on this product! Search the board for some solid info, "stay away from Wikipedia"...
This was my protocol..
1. 30 to 40 mcgs pinned in the muscle during training, alongside 5 grams of arginine , and 400mgs of caffeine.
2. About 6 hrs later, I would pin another 30 to 40mcgs, alongside 5 grams of arginine. Im a huge fan of micro dosing, especially in the MGF, or IGF family. my daily total intake would be between 60 to 80 mcgs.
It sucks to train your ass off, eat clean, and gain visceral fat??? No bueno on DES!!!!
If you micro dose, you might be able to stay lean. Hey, I wish you the very best, Im only stating my experience, as well as the exact same experiences from past clients and friends. I eat clean year round, DES and my body just did not agree. Im not bashing, so please do not take it that way. DES also made me sweat like a whore in church while training???? Keep us updated brother!!!Just ordered 6 des and 6 mgf, plan on cycling 4 weeks on & off...that should last a while. I read a lot of post on here where people said they actually got leaner and bigger which is why I bought it...I carry abs year round and sure don't want any bellyfat!
NO SIR!!!! LR3 is one my favorite peptides. I know of people who dose at 20mcgs first thing early am, for carb control since LR3 has such a long half life to it! I know this sounds kind of gay, but I truly believe DES is a dangerous compound! There is not enough data on it. Why in the hell do you think its under "research chemicals", basically we are guinea pigs when it comes to certain peptides.Hey stylus, does igf lr3 have the fat gain as well?
DES is stronger then people realize. You can get away with a daily dose of 60mcgs and still notice substantial gains. Be aware, expect to gain some visceral fat in your abdominal region. DES spikes your cortisol levels through the roof. I used to sponsor for a large Peptide company, whom used to be on this board, I wont mention names, it offends sponsors who are here paying to advertise. I gave away about 6 vials to some friends, this is when DES first hit the market. I gave 2 bottles to two friends, they both eat clean and train properly, all 3 of us gained muscle, but too much fat comes along with it. It spikes your cortisol through the roof. If you really try to find solid info on des, you wont find any. In my opinion I do not feel that DES is a safe compound to run. Im not bashing the product, Im just sharing my experience with DES. Put it this way, when I worked for EP, I would actually advise clients from buying it. If you aren't worried about cortisol levels, DES will def put size on you in a short amount of time! Im not trying to sound like a pu--y, but I truly believe its a dangerous compound. Ive never had any compound, including aas put on size in such a short time. There is not enough solid info on this product! Search the board for some solid info, "stay away from Wikipedia"...
This was my protocol..
1. 30 to 40 mcgs pinned in the muscle during training, alongside 5 grams of arginine , and 400mgs of caffeine.
2. About 6 hrs later, I would pin another 30 to 40mcgs, alongside 5 grams of arginine. Im a huge fan of micro dosing, especially in the MGF, or IGF family. my daily total intake would be between 60 to 80 mcgs.
It sucks to train your ass off, eat clean, and gain visceral fat??? No bueno on DES!!!!
i love this stuff. Noticable gains from one workout to the next.
usaully run 50mcg in each side, but occasionally will run 30mcg in 4 different spots... 30 in lats and traps.. 30 in bicep and 30 in brachs... 30 in lateral head triceps and 30 in long head... 30 in vastus lateralis and 30 in vastus medialis.. ect...
not only gives h.a.r.d. , solid pumps, but noticeable gains afterwards.
also, seems to have affected my facial "stucture".. cheekbones and jaw, ect...
NEVER noticed fat gain on it. i don't even get a hint of hypo.
do u use seperat syringes? or just 1?
i researched 100mcg bi lat---in the bis on monday pre wo---hit bis hard....unbelievable pump
anyway....my bi's never get sore....they are still sore today
some guys say they dont get sore with des...or noticably less sore
my findings are opposite....although i just started this research