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I had read about Sub -Q injections for years for oils but never gave them a second thought. Thanks to emeric though..I read a lot of his posts and I'll admit I thought "BS" now way that little bit of test /hormone could be effective.
Then I tried it, and although I haven't got blood work yet I have felt better than ever for the past 3 months-physiologically sexually and energy wise.
I don't cycle (test plus anabolic or two) anymore and gave up IM cycles of no more than 600 mg a couple of years ago. I gave up "heavier"(2 grams of combo test deca tren) cycling in 2004 and went to the lower dosed safe limit of what I thought was 600 mg a week based on the NEJ Study of 1996 where they administered 600 mg a week to men for 12 weeks with no adverse effects.
I won't really go into some of the adverse effects of higher IM dosing but over the years I grew tired of them and sometimes missed a shot a week hoping the long esters would compensate. I use to hate the rising and lowering of the hormones in the blood after a shot and the mild test flu. I really think after so many years my body just hated the solvents and what ever oil it was suspended in (took many a vial of delatestry and upjohn test)
I haven't gotten any blood work to see what my levels are I am on a combo of test cyp with a little prop in it (25 mg sub q) EOD. Most notably this keeps my hematocrit lower, I still give a pint every 3 months or so but it is a lot better than giving a pint every 30 days and still fighting a 56 hematocrit.
This lower dosed sub q has kept my hematocrit down and I feel great.
I know a few older guys that "cycle" this way and love it 60 mgs of test a week and 60 mgs of deca and 30 mgs of tren enanthate a week- all sub q.
I told one of my old brothers in iron that he was 80's cycling back in the day when lower doses were the name of the game.
The key to the sub-q shots is keeping the volume to . 2 ml max. I would love to do prop only but never met a prop that wasn't painful and it would be an irritating shot for sure in the belly with prop only.
If I were still cycling heavy today I would cruise with the sub q test to give myself a break and clean out with out the crash. Hint to you guys looking to come down from time to time.
I still have to get bloodwork done because everyone asks me - what's your test level on this? But it really doesn't matter to me as I feel great it doesn't matter if my blood work is 400, 600 or 1000 ng/dl.
Thanks again to emeric for posting so much about the sub-q method it really works well, with out all the troublesome sides and keeps the testosterone levels in my opinion ideal.
Then I tried it, and although I haven't got blood work yet I have felt better than ever for the past 3 months-physiologically sexually and energy wise.
I don't cycle (test plus anabolic or two) anymore and gave up IM cycles of no more than 600 mg a couple of years ago. I gave up "heavier"(2 grams of combo test deca tren) cycling in 2004 and went to the lower dosed safe limit of what I thought was 600 mg a week based on the NEJ Study of 1996 where they administered 600 mg a week to men for 12 weeks with no adverse effects.
I won't really go into some of the adverse effects of higher IM dosing but over the years I grew tired of them and sometimes missed a shot a week hoping the long esters would compensate. I use to hate the rising and lowering of the hormones in the blood after a shot and the mild test flu. I really think after so many years my body just hated the solvents and what ever oil it was suspended in (took many a vial of delatestry and upjohn test)
I haven't gotten any blood work to see what my levels are I am on a combo of test cyp with a little prop in it (25 mg sub q) EOD. Most notably this keeps my hematocrit lower, I still give a pint every 3 months or so but it is a lot better than giving a pint every 30 days and still fighting a 56 hematocrit.
This lower dosed sub q has kept my hematocrit down and I feel great.
I know a few older guys that "cycle" this way and love it 60 mgs of test a week and 60 mgs of deca and 30 mgs of tren enanthate a week- all sub q.
I told one of my old brothers in iron that he was 80's cycling back in the day when lower doses were the name of the game.
The key to the sub-q shots is keeping the volume to . 2 ml max. I would love to do prop only but never met a prop that wasn't painful and it would be an irritating shot for sure in the belly with prop only.
If I were still cycling heavy today I would cruise with the sub q test to give myself a break and clean out with out the crash. Hint to you guys looking to come down from time to time.
I still have to get bloodwork done because everyone asks me - what's your test level on this? But it really doesn't matter to me as I feel great it doesn't matter if my blood work is 400, 600 or 1000 ng/dl.
Thanks again to emeric for posting so much about the sub-q method it really works well, with out all the troublesome sides and keeps the testosterone levels in my opinion ideal.