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Thanks for posting that.
What I found interesting was in bold below:
This is the first investigation in resistance-trained individuals which demonstrates that a hypercaloric high protein diet does not contribute to a fat mass gain. Furthermore, there was no change in body weight or lean body mass.
Most likely the training style was the biggest contributor to this as it was 'high volume' which could mean anything.
So if you are eating 4.4g/kg of protein and are in a big caloric surplus but aren't gaining any weight or lean mass, what would you do next?
There's something odd in the reported results. Consider Table 2.Furthermore, there was no change in body weight or lean body mass.
The main issue with all these studies is that they either compare extremely low protein intake that anyone who is serious about training just wouldn't consume to a 'high' protein intake.
The real question is that once the minimum protein requirements have been met in a caloric surplus to ensure positive nitrogen balance at all times, does additional dietary protein have any further benefits to carbs?
According to the studies the only benefit is that you can literally eat more without gaining fat or lean mass but to me that isn't a real tangible benefit.
this really isnt an argument that can be proven by anyone in here. It really isnt.
I base my opinions on the least path of resistance
take in too many carbs and what happens (adipose tissue FAST)
take in too many fats and what happens (in the case of good fats....at a rate that is much slower than the above)
take in too much protein and what happens (i depend/count on the thermic effect of (digestion) of food principle in that case which is way way way above fats and carbs)...so in my opinion if you want to up one of these three in hopes of more muscle mass....the nobrainer way to do thats with the building block of muscle mass (protein/amino acids) with the clear cut fact....that by a wide margin the most calories burned thru digestion is also protein so you can take more of it and not as easily gain fat unlike the other two.
With that said....are there going to be any studies lending itself to this? Not really in our genre. But if you are asking me if i think a 108lb bikini competitor generates as much protein turnover as a 275lb extreme LBM bodybuilder heaving around outrageous poundages......and the whole adaption (in theory in which i believe that theory) that has taken place in that bodybuilders journey? NO i dont believe that bikini competitor is even in the same ballpark. People love absolutes...."oh a person can only utilize this".....A person = the average person. I dont classify someone with 75 more lbs of muscle mass on their body, using a method (brutally heavy weights) to increase protein turnover 4-6 times a week and using drugs that greatly greatly enhance this whole process.....as "the average person"
I am a big believer in high protein very low carb diets. Keep the carbs under 50 grams a day. You will be using body fat as fuel. When your body fat drops to a low percentage you will have to up the dietary fats as a means for fuel during your workouts.
I am a big believer in high protein very low carb diets. Keep the carbs under 50 grams a day. You will be using body fat as fuel. When your body fat drops to a low percentage you will have to up the dietary fats as a means for fuel during your workouts.
Question. I thought the studies have shown that the conversion of carbs to fat almost never happens in humans unless you are like well over 500 grams a day? I always assumed that was the reason most bodybuilding diets were centered around things like rice/chicken rice/fish oatmeal/egg.
I am a big believer in high protein very low carb diets. Keep the carbs under 50 grams a day. You will be using body fat as fuel. When your body fat drops to a low percentage you will have to up the dietary fats as a means for fuel during your workouts.
Might you link your source for the correlation between IGF-1 and carbohydrate intake?Proteins and carbs are required to ensure optimal levels of IGF-1 as well as other hormones.
Might you link your source for the correlation between IGF-1 and carbohydrate intake?
Dietary fat is required for optimal hormone levels, especially sex hormones. This isn't always necessary for bodybuilders who are manipulating their hormones exogenously. This could explain how bodybuilders can eat high carbohydrate, high protein diets.
But no one has explained how the phospholipid layer of new sarcolema without dietary fat.
Might you link your source for the correlation between IGF-1 and carbohydrate intake?
Dietary fat is required for optimal hormone levels, especially sex hormones. This isn't always necessary for bodybuilders who are manipulating their hormones exogenously. This could explain how bodybuilders can eat high carbohydrate, high protein diets.
But no one has explained how the phospholipid layer of new sarcolema without dietary fat.
Consider the following study:
Coingestion of carbohydrate with protein does not further augment postexercise muscle protein synthesis | Endocrinology and Metabolism
"Coingestion of carbohydrate during recovery does not further stimulate postexercise muscle protein synthesis when ample protein is ingested."
Much of sports nutrition is based upon the research regarding aerobic activity which is highly oxidatitive/glycolytic by nature. However, those aren't necessarily the required energy system for all sporting forms. Especially a strength sport that uses primary the phosphagen system. Now, traditional bodybuilding training utilizes both the phosphagen system and glycolytic cycle.
What doesn't seem to make much sense is eating many carbohydrates which will generally be stored as glycogen and then having to do excessive moderate intensity cardio to utilize that glycogen. Low intensity exercise effectively burns bodyfat, the duration just takes longer. Intuitively, it makes more sense to eat fewer carbohydrates and take the cardio intensity down to try and force the body to mobilize fatty acids from fat cells for oxidation.
Prior to Hernon winning the USA he was eating 5 to 6 pounds of chicken breasts per day.