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Not sure when John started working with Serrano, but I’d definitely imagine Dr. Serrano had him on the relevant medications for his issues rather than just using supps recommended by Dante
Yeah, I'm not privy to any special information like that just that my eyebrows raised a bit from that thread. [shrug]. SouthernMuscle can blow this out of proportion if he'd like. At the end of the day, the only person at risk by arguing about this is Dante himself, so it'd be unwise for him to engage in any event and SouthernMuscle is a bit of a cocksucker for creating that temptation IMO.
 
Yeah, I'm not privy to any special information like that just that my eyebrows raised a bit from that thread. [shrug]. SouthernMuscle can blow this out of proportion if he'd like. At the end of the day, the only person at risk by arguing about this is Dante himself, so it'd be unwise for him to engage in any event and SouthernMuscle is a bit of a cocksucker for creating that temptation IMO.
Getting a little big for your britches here bucko
 
I'm a big fan of Dante, I believe that his DC training methods are not only outstanding and influential for a reason, but what people should refer to rather than in vogue voluminous training methods to advance & progress from intermediate/advanced.
^^”lemme go ahead and preface the shit I’m about to talk by saying I like you”^^ classic
However, his recommendations about taking nutritional supplements (e.g., cordyceps) to treat or prevent medical conditions is not something he should be doing. Lest we forget John Meadows who relied on advice of this sort from people like, and probably including Dante but passed away, more likely than not, due to an overreliance on these Tips & Tricks rather than medicine.
^^ all i’ve done here is make the qualifiers gray, and the actual statement red. These are your words verbatim^^
Dante has a clear conflict of interest when speaking about anything in the dietary/nutritional supplement scope since he profits from the sale of nutritional supplements: therefore, you should not weigh his advice as that which originates from an impartial source. His statements regarding this topic are biased strongly by his sales interests.
 
Both of those statements are actually true though. ARBs/ACE inhibitors can cause kidney harm, and we even have had guys put on emergency dialysis because of them who are lucky to be alive:


Beta blockers do have to be taken away from a training session because they reduce effort & sympathetic tone, drive; and some are too long-acting to effectively do this.

What I see is far too little regard for the risks of ARBs/ACE-i drugs & beta blockers and people promoting them as a prophylactic (a preventive cure-all).

Not everyone who uses AAS becomes hypertensive and nobody who is not hypertensive should use these drugs.
Well sure, but you’ve isolated my post.

Pick your poison- do you want to run grams of gear and keep high BP and RHR? No.

Do guys abuse BP meds and Beta blockers to run more gear? Absolutely.

But I sure as hell don’t want to see someone not take a minimal amount necessary of nebilivol and/or Telimisartan who are running grams of gear and have high BP and RHR. That again, is irresponsible. I would never advise anyone to do that. 😂

In regards to John Meadow’s I think that’s a bit extreme. He had many long term chronic health issues. He talks openly with his cardiologist here:

 
Sure, the rationale is the half-life of enanthate. It's not necessary to pin it more than weekly, just look at the graph plotting release mg/d & the area-under-the-curve.

I've written before about frequent administration, and its resulting pharmacokinetics & reduced tolerability:

Frequent administration... does not cause any "smoothness" or stability, but rather results in more "spiking" meaning a greater # of "peaks" or Cmax # (Css # after 4 t1/2s) & therefore decreased Tmax (time to Cmax). A low Tmax is inherently related to side effects including erythrocytosis/polycythymia, and of course more frequent pinning is associated with greater swelling & pain at the injection site. It does however increase AUC of the free/bioactive fraction of administered AAS (fAUC), meaning more anabolism.

I have discussed this in depth with respect to daily administration of 50 mg q.d. i.m. acetate versus 350 mg enanthate q.w. (q.7.d.) here: [link]

Basically, I am trading-off anabolic potency (AUC as nmol h/L) for improved tolerability, including blood profile, pain/swelling at the injection site, and just a basic tiredness with pinning, it gets fucking old.
Personally I have to pin EOD to prevent acne. Any time that I try longer periods in between my back breaks out. Could you tell me why?
 
I'm a big fan of Dante, I believe that his DC training methods are not only outstanding and influential for a reason, but what people should refer to rather than in vogue voluminous training methods to advance & progress from intermediate/advanced.

However, his recommendations about taking nutritional supplements (e.g., cordyceps) to treat or prevent medical conditions is not something he should be doing. Lest we forget John Meadows who relied on advice of this sort from people like, and probably including Dante but passed away, more likely than not, due to an overreliance on these Tips & Tricks rather than medicine.

Dante has a clear conflict of interest when speaking about anything in the dietary/nutritional supplement scope since he profits from the sale of nutritional supplements: therefore, you should not weigh his advice as that which originates from an impartial source. His statements regarding this topic are biased strongly by his sales interests.

Dude what in all fucking hell are you talking about?! I cant stand when people talk so matter of factly out of their asses, and you have NO freaking idea what the hell you are talking about point blank!

You refer to a thread of me talking about John Meadows death and you make no sense at all. The only thing i can see is you must be wildly confused about this statement in that thread:

"I just wanted to share my thoughts if I may. John and i go back about 15 years. (As you guys probably know I make most of his supplements) and we have just talked alot and texted over the last decade and a half."

In your wildly uninformed opinion do you know what that means above when i say "i make most of his supplements"? I own a manufacturing plant with 63 employees working around the clock 24/7/365.. John Meadows owned Granite Supplements along with his partners Jai and Dev. I make alot of Granite Supplements for them along with a bunch of other companies I make supplements for. The stuff they sell to the public like protein powders and such. I make Peri-Md which was his formula and quarterly send checks to Johns wife Mary.

So what in all hell are you going on about? John Meadows sent me his bloodwork repeatedly for me to take a look at. By and large it looked pretty darn good most of the time. He was under the care of Dr Serranno and cardiologists. End of story. What in all hell do i have to do with Johns death?! His biological father had heart attack at 33, I believe his biological mother had heart attack at 35 if I remember right. He was also vaccinated with the Johnson and Johnson Vax I believe....theres some actual facts for you to make a much better informed decisions to the shite your peddling. Thats it...I made/make alot of his supps and still send his wife checks, thats about the end of my involvement in everything. Ask Serranno or his cardiologists what happened. End of story. Dont you feel stupid now? You should to even suggest such a thing.

Conflict of interest? LOL. So you say I profit from the sale of nutritional supplements and its all about my sales interests? Anyone want to inform this guy whats up? Virtually 99% if not more of the supplements I ever recommended to people on this board or anyone I DONT EVEN SELL! Astragalus (Vitamin shoppe), Citrus Bergamot (Jarrow), just keep going down the line of what I have told people to use to fix bloodwork problems and I dont even sell the stuff. So if you want to chastise me for bringing Astragalus and Citrus Bergamot and other supplements to the attention of the bodybuilding community so Vitamin Shoppe and Jarrow can make money...Guilty as charged! I dont know anyone who works for those companies and I have never made a dime from suggesting those supps or other health supps i have recommended.

If i had a 10 dollar bill for the number of people that told me astragalus brought them back into scope from high creatinine levels I could probably retire. If i had a 10 dollar bill for the number of people who said citrus bergamot and a lot of the other supps I recommended to them brought them back into scope fully lipids wise....I could not even count. if someone wants to go the drug route and fix their kidney problems with drugs that bring on ketoacidosis in some people instead of a supplement that has repeatedly been shown to raise gfr and lower creatinine and has some properties that increases telomerase, go right ahead. If someone wants to use drugs like statins and deal with some of the side effects of those over a supplement that has shown some of the same statin like benefits to it....go right ahead.

The study up above (kind of sketchy out of Thailand with a person that has thrown about some other sketchy studies) is the FIRST one ever reported showing detrimental effects of cordyceps sinensis toward kidneys. Virtually ever other study ever reported states the exact opposite. Every study before that one study and every after that study https://www.google.com/search?q=cordyceps+kidney+pubmed&sca_esv=597108281&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:5/31/2022,cd_max:1/9/2024&tbm=#ip=1
I dont sell cordyceps sinensis. Nootropics Depot sells a legitimate brand. So if you want to chastise me for helping that company out when i dont know one person over there.....again guilty as charged.

Ever have people come to you asking for your help (desperate) because they were told by doctors that kidney dialysis was inevitable and its just a time march until they are hooked up to a machine? I have. Many many bodybuilders, especially the last 6 years or so. And to the best of my ability I have tried to help them, because what else do they have but "the inevitable" according to their specialists. I have brought every single one of them back into range except 2, those two were too far gone, with GFR of 16 and 8 respectively and creatinine so high there was no coming back, the damage was too extensive and one simply kept doing the same things that got him into kidney failure in the first place. Most of that was with Astragalus which i rate highly and i have only recommended Cordyceps Sinensis as an afterthought to many.

You know what i do when i dont know the details and ins and outs of a scenario like the bullshit you said above about John Meadows? I keep my mouth shut so i dont look like a jackass stating something that is totally untrue. But hey thats me, and how i go about things.
 
Geez @DOGGCRAPP , I didn't know that about John's parents. Explains a lot why he had the heart problems.

Now, please do not speculate about others or post rumors here. We are a fact based board. Your opinions are valuable, but be careful of accusations without substantial proof. Other boards post gossip, I don't want it here.

@Type-IIx , I think you are a very intelligent guy, but once in awhile, your posts take jabs at people. Like you got a short fuse at times. I think you are best at breaking down things scientifically, but not so much addressing others. You are one of the guys I actually read your posts.

I always tell me people book knowledge and common sense are not the same. Let's all take a deep breath and think before we post and get defensive at others.

None of us MODS, believe or not, want to ban anyone. We simply want people to respect others.
 
Geez @DOGGCRAPP , I didn't know that about John's parents. Explains a lot why he had the heart problems.

Now, please do not speculate about others or post rumors here. We are a fact based board. Your opinions are valuable, but be careful of accusations without substantial proof. Other boards post gossip, I don't want it here.

@Type-IIx , I think you are a very intelligent guy, but once in awhile, your posts take jabs at people. Like you got a short fuse at times. I think you are best at breaking down things scientifically, but not so much addressing others. You are one of the guys I actually read your posts.

I always tell me people book knowledge and common sense are not the same. Let's all take a deep breath and think before we post and get defensive at others.

None of us MODS, believe or not, want to ban anyone. We simply want people to respect others.
You won't teach respect for others to someone who thinks he's better than everyone else - it's not hate, it's life
 
You won't teach respect for others to someone who thinks he's better than everyone else - it's not hate, it's life
That's not true at all. I had a friend who was a Hells Angels member. They tend to think they are the badest in the land. You know what he told me one time? He said he would respect even a homeless man as long as he respects him. It goes both ways with respect.

If you can't get along with others, rather then respond in a derogatory way, how about ignoring them?

The problem we have on this board is a lot are fueled up on hormones making them react rather then think. Positivity will get you farther in life then negativity.
 
Not sure when John started working with Serrano, but I’d definitely imagine Dr. Serrano had him on the relevant medications for his issues rather than just using supps recommended by Dante
John worked with Serrano for years on years.
 
Fucking outrageous

Pretty sure a nurse practitioner wrote my first nebivolol script
In my experience with Doctors, they do not like it when you start to tell them what type of medication they should prescribe. I brought Telmisartan and Nebivolol with my Doc a lot, and he is just not having it. Ramipril or bust, haha. Luckily the Pharmacy I get my Nebi+Telmi from doesn't want to see a script ;-)
 
In my experience with Doctors, they do not like it when you start to tell them what type of medication they should prescribe. I brought Telmisartan and Nebivolol with my Doc a lot, and he is just not having it. Ramipril or bust, haha. Luckily the Pharmacy I get my Nebi+Telmi from doesn't want to see a script ;-)
You need to find a new doctor IMO. This is usually a sign that they’ve stopped or closed their mind to new research and insights. Very common.
 
Dude what in all fucking hell are you talking about?! I cant stand when people talk so matter of factly out of their asses, and you have NO freaking idea what the hell you are talking about point blank!

You refer to a thread of me talking about John Meadows death and you make no sense at all. The only thing i can see is you must be wildly confused about this statement in that thread:

"I just wanted to share my thoughts if I may. John and i go back about 15 years. (As you guys probably know I make most of his supplements) and we have just talked alot and texted over the last decade and a half."

In your wildly uninformed opinion do you know what that means above when i say "i make most of his supplements"? I own a manufacturing plant with 63 employees working around the clock 24/7/365.. John Meadows owned Granite Supplements along with his partners Jai and Dev. I make alot of Granite Supplements for them along with a bunch of other companies I make supplements for. The stuff they sell to the public like protein powders and such. I make Peri-Md which was his formula and quarterly send checks to Johns wife Mary.

So what in all hell are you going on about? John Meadows sent me his bloodwork repeatedly for me to take a look at. By and large it looked pretty darn good most of the time. He was under the care of Dr Serranno and cardiologists. End of story. What in all hell do i have to do with Johns death?! His biological father had heart attack at 33, I believe his biological mother had heart attack at 35 if I remember right. He was also vaccinated with the Johnson and Johnson Vax I believe....theres some actual facts for you to make a much better informed decisions to the shite your peddling. Thats it...I made/make alot of his supps and still send his wife checks, thats about the end of my involvement in everything. Ask Serranno or his cardiologists what happened. End of story. Dont you feel stupid now? You should to even suggest such a thing.

Conflict of interest? LOL. So you say I profit from the sale of nutritional supplements and its all about my sales interests? Anyone want to inform this guy whats up? Virtually 99% if not more of the supplements I ever recommended to people on this board or anyone I DONT EVEN SELL! Astragalus (Vitamin shoppe), Citrus Bergamot (Jarrow), just keep going down the line of what I have told people to use to fix bloodwork problems and I dont even sell the stuff. So if you want to chastise me for bringing Astragalus and Citrus Bergamot and other supplements to the attention of the bodybuilding community so Vitamin Shoppe and Jarrow can make money...Guilty as charged! I dont know anyone who works for those companies and I have never made a dime from suggesting those supps or other health supps i have recommended.

If i had a 10 dollar bill for the number of people that told me astragalus brought them back into scope from high creatinine levels I could probably retire. If i had a 10 dollar bill for the number of people who said citrus bergamot and a lot of the other supps I recommended to them brought them back into scope fully lipids wise....I could not even count. if someone wants to go the drug route and fix their kidney problems with drugs that bring on ketoacidosis in some people instead of a supplement that has repeatedly been shown to raise gfr and lower creatinine and has some properties that increases telomerase, go right ahead. If someone wants to use drugs like statins and deal with some of the side effects of those over a supplement that has shown some of the same statin like benefits to it....go right ahead.

The study up above (kind of sketchy out of Thailand with a person that has thrown about some other sketchy studies) is the FIRST one ever reported showing detrimental effects of cordyceps sinensis toward kidneys. Virtually ever other study ever reported states the exact opposite. Every study before that one study and every after that study https://www.google.com/search?q=cordyceps+kidney+pubmed&sca_esv=597108281&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:5/31/2022,cd_max:1/9/2024&tbm=#ip=1
I dont sell cordyceps sinensis. Nootropics Depot sells a legitimate brand. So if you want to chastise me for helping that company out when i dont know one person over there.....again guilty as charged.

Ever have people come to you asking for your help (desperate) because they were told by doctors that kidney dialysis was inevitable and its just a time march until they are hooked up to a machine? I have. Many many bodybuilders, especially the last 6 years or so. And to the best of my ability I have tried to help them, because what else do they have but "the inevitable" according to their specialists. I have brought every single one of them back into range except 2, those two were too far gone, with GFR of 16 and 8 respectively and creatinine so high there was no coming back, the damage was too extensive and one simply kept doing the same things that got him into kidney failure in the first place. Most of that was with Astragalus which i rate highly and i have only recommended Cordyceps Sinensis as an afterthought to many.

You know what i do when i dont know the details and ins and outs of a scenario like the bullshit you said above about John Meadows? I keep my mouth shut so i dont look like a jackass stating something that is totally untrue. But hey thats me, and how i go about things.

Long time no hear.

Great post Dante. Thanks for chiming in.

Miss you man. Wish you would post more but then again I understand your absence.(this crap).
 
Dude what in all fucking hell are you talking about?! I cant stand when people talk so matter of factly out of their asses, and you have NO freaking idea what the hell you are talking about point blank!

You refer to a thread of me talking about John Meadows death and you make no sense at all. The only thing i can see is you must be wildly confused about this statement in that thread:

"I just wanted to share my thoughts if I may. John and i go back about 15 years. (As you guys probably know I make most of his supplements) and we have just talked alot and texted over the last decade and a half."

In your wildly uninformed opinion do you know what that means above when i say "i make most of his supplements"? I own a manufacturing plant with 63 employees working around the clock 24/7/365.. John Meadows owned Granite Supplements along with his partners Jai and Dev. I make alot of Granite Supplements for them along with a bunch of other companies I make supplements for. The stuff they sell to the public like protein powders and such. I make Peri-Md which was his formula and quarterly send checks to Johns wife Mary.

So what in all hell are you going on about? John Meadows sent me his bloodwork repeatedly for me to take a look at. By and large it looked pretty darn good most of the time. He was under the care of Dr Serranno and cardiologists. End of story. What in all hell do i have to do with Johns death?! His biological father had heart attack at 33, I believe his biological mother had heart attack at 35 if I remember right. He was also vaccinated with the Johnson and Johnson Vax I believe....theres some actual facts for you to make a much better informed decisions to the shite your peddling. Thats it...I made/make alot of his supps and still send his wife checks, thats about the end of my involvement in everything. Ask Serranno or his cardiologists what happened. End of story. Dont you feel stupid now? You should to even suggest such a thing.

Conflict of interest? LOL. So you say I profit from the sale of nutritional supplements and its all about my sales interests? Anyone want to inform this guy whats up? Virtually 99% if not more of the supplements I ever recommended to people on this board or anyone I DONT EVEN SELL! Astragalus (Vitamin shoppe), Citrus Bergamot (Jarrow), just keep going down the line of what I have told people to use to fix bloodwork problems and I dont even sell the stuff. So if you want to chastise me for bringing Astragalus and Citrus Bergamot and other supplements to the attention of the bodybuilding community so Vitamin Shoppe and Jarrow can make money...Guilty as charged! I dont know anyone who works for those companies and I have never made a dime from suggesting those supps or other health supps i have recommended.

If i had a 10 dollar bill for the number of people that told me astragalus brought them back into scope from high creatinine levels I could probably retire. If i had a 10 dollar bill for the number of people who said citrus bergamot and a lot of the other supps I recommended to them brought them back into scope fully lipids wise....I could not even count. if someone wants to go the drug route and fix their kidney problems with drugs that bring on ketoacidosis in some people instead of a supplement that has repeatedly been shown to raise gfr and lower creatinine and has some properties that increases telomerase, go right ahead. If someone wants to use drugs like statins and deal with some of the side effects of those over a supplement that has shown some of the same statin like benefits to it....go right ahead.

The study up above (kind of sketchy out of Thailand with a person that has thrown about some other sketchy studies) is the FIRST one ever reported showing detrimental effects of cordyceps sinensis toward kidneys. Virtually ever other study ever reported states the exact opposite. Every study before that one study and every after that study https://www.google.com/search?q=cordyceps+kidney+pubmed&sca_esv=597108281&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:5/31/2022,cd_max:1/9/2024&tbm=#ip=1
I dont sell cordyceps sinensis. Nootropics Depot sells a legitimate brand. So if you want to chastise me for helping that company out when i dont know one person over there.....again guilty as charged.

Ever have people come to you asking for your help (desperate) because they were told by doctors that kidney dialysis was inevitable and its just a time march until they are hooked up to a machine? I have. Many many bodybuilders, especially the last 6 years or so. And to the best of my ability I have tried to help them, because what else do they have but "the inevitable" according to their specialists. I have brought every single one of them back into range except 2, those two were too far gone, with GFR of 16 and 8 respectively and creatinine so high there was no coming back, the damage was too extensive and one simply kept doing the same things that got him into kidney failure in the first place. Most of that was with Astragalus which i rate highly and i have only recommended Cordyceps Sinensis as an afterthought to many.

You know what i do when i dont know the details and ins and outs of a scenario like the bullshit you said above about John Meadows? I keep my mouth shut so i dont look like a jackass stating something that is totally untrue. But hey thats me, and how i go about things.
Excellent post!

Would love to have you posting here more again Dante. We’ve all learned a lot from you over the years.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable guys on this board. We all have different insights and experiences.

That’s what makes this place so great.

BUT no one person on here is God or has the end all be all answers. We can all learn from each other and “should” be students of our own work @Type-IIx.

The second ANY of us believe we know more than everyone else is when it’s time to hang it up IMO. I’m sure you agree.

Let’s keep this place the best bodybuilding resource and board in the world. 😎
 
Excellent post!

Would love to have you posting here more again Dante. We’ve all learned a lot from you over the years.

There are a lot of very knowledgeable guys on this board. We all have different insights and experiences.

That’s what makes this place so great.

BUT no one person on here is God or has the end all be all answers. We can all learn from each other and “should” be students of our own work @Type-IIx.

The second ANY of us believe we know more than everyone else is when it’s time to hang it up IMO. I’m sure you agree.

Let’s keep this place the best bodybuilding resource and board in the world. 😎

I just went out of my way to go grab a few huge bottles of vitamin shoppe astragalus because it was unavailable to ship and only 3 left at the store

Also grabbed some olive leaf extract which i’m pretty sure was part of the immune stack he recommends
 
I have to agree with @pesty4077. At one time, my BP was very high, and I was deluding myself into thinking it was the cuff. But the cuff was the largest they made and sufficient.

It's not hard to get a larger cuff, you can buy one right now if you'd like I'm sure.

Just make sure you're not "running blind" just because the cuff is telling you something you don't want to see... which can include "go to the hospital immediately."
Correct! You can just buy a xxl cuff easily on Amazon and put on your current monitor. Tons of individual larger cuffs on Amazon.
 
That's not true at all. I had a friend who was a Hells Angels member. They tend to think they are the badest in the land. You know what he told me one time? He said he would respect even a homeless man as long as he respects him. It goes both ways with respect.

If you can't get along with others, rather then respond in a derogatory way, how about ignoring them?

The problem we have on this board is a lot are fueled up on hormones making them react rather then think. Positivity will get you farther in life then negativity.
you believe in people too much - I found out a long time ago that 90% of them are not worth it, but that's just my opinion
 
Dude what in all fucking hell are you talking about?! I cant stand when people talk so matter of factly out of their asses, and you have NO freaking idea what the hell you are talking about point blank!

You refer to a thread of me talking about John Meadows death and you make no sense at all. The only thing i can see is you must be wildly confused about this statement in that thread:

"I just wanted to share my thoughts if I may. John and i go back about 15 years. (As you guys probably know I make most of his supplements) and we have just talked alot and texted over the last decade and a half."

In your wildly uninformed opinion do you know what that means above when i say "i make most of his supplements"? I own a manufacturing plant with 63 employees working around the clock 24/7/365.. John Meadows owned Granite Supplements along with his partners Jai and Dev. I make alot of Granite Supplements for them along with a bunch of other companies I make supplements for. The stuff they sell to the public like protein powders and such. I make Peri-Md which was his formula and quarterly send checks to Johns wife Mary.

So what in all hell are you going on about? John Meadows sent me his bloodwork repeatedly for me to take a look at. By and large it looked pretty darn good most of the time. He was under the care of Dr Serranno and cardiologists. End of story. What in all hell do i have to do with Johns death?! His biological father had heart attack at 33, I believe his biological mother had heart attack at 35 if I remember right. He was also vaccinated with the Johnson and Johnson Vax I believe....theres some actual facts for you to make a much better informed decisions to the shite your peddling. Thats it...I made/make alot of his supps and still send his wife checks, thats about the end of my involvement in everything. Ask Serranno or his cardiologists what happened. End of story. Dont you feel stupid now? You should to even suggest such a thing.

Conflict of interest? LOL. So you say I profit from the sale of nutritional supplements and its all about my sales interests? Anyone want to inform this guy whats up? Virtually 99% if not more of the supplements I ever recommended to people on this board or anyone I DONT EVEN SELL! Astragalus (Vitamin shoppe), Citrus Bergamot (Jarrow), just keep going down the line of what I have told people to use to fix bloodwork problems and I dont even sell the stuff. So if you want to chastise me for bringing Astragalus and Citrus Bergamot and other supplements to the attention of the bodybuilding community so Vitamin Shoppe and Jarrow can make money...Guilty as charged! I dont know anyone who works for those companies and I have never made a dime from suggesting those supps or other health supps i have recommended.

If i had a 10 dollar bill for the number of people that told me astragalus brought them back into scope from high creatinine levels I could probably retire. If i had a 10 dollar bill for the number of people who said citrus bergamot and a lot of the other supps I recommended to them brought them back into scope fully lipids wise....I could not even count. if someone wants to go the drug route and fix their kidney problems with drugs that bring on ketoacidosis in some people instead of a supplement that has repeatedly been shown to raise gfr and lower creatinine and has some properties that increases telomerase, go right ahead. If someone wants to use drugs like statins and deal with some of the side effects of those over a supplement that has shown some of the same statin like benefits to it....go right ahead.

The study up above (kind of sketchy out of Thailand with a person that has thrown about some other sketchy studies) is the FIRST one ever reported showing detrimental effects of cordyceps sinensis toward kidneys. Virtually ever other study ever reported states the exact opposite. Every study before that one study and every after that study https://www.google.com/search?q=cordyceps+kidney+pubmed&sca_esv=597108281&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:5/31/2022,cd_max:1/9/2024&tbm=#ip=1
I dont sell cordyceps sinensis. Nootropics Depot sells a legitimate brand. So if you want to chastise me for helping that company out when i dont know one person over there.....again guilty as charged.

Ever have people come to you asking for your help (desperate) because they were told by doctors that kidney dialysis was inevitable and its just a time march until they are hooked up to a machine? I have. Many many bodybuilders, especially the last 6 years or so. And to the best of my ability I have tried to help them, because what else do they have but "the inevitable" according to their specialists. I have brought every single one of them back into range except 2, those two were too far gone, with GFR of 16 and 8 respectively and creatinine so high there was no coming back, the damage was too extensive and one simply kept doing the same things that got him into kidney failure in the first place. Most of that was with Astragalus which i rate highly and i have only recommended Cordyceps Sinensis as an afterthought to many.

You know what i do when i dont know the details and ins and outs of a scenario like the bullshit you said above about John Meadows? I keep my mouth shut so i dont look like a jackass stating something that is totally untrue. But hey thats me, and how i go about things.
Forget about him brother he wants to sound knowledgeable to sell some bullshit courses and coaching
 

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