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I can see by reading the boards the hardest thing is the nurtitional aspect and people being consistent with eating huge amounts of clean food. Yes it's expensive and time consuming to prepare but well worth it.
So many young guys jump on this eat shit, bulk, " a calorie is a calorie" nonsense that it ruins them.
When trying to gain optimal mass people should be eating 4-5 solid meals a day and having 3-4 shakes a day of pretty clean food and not shitty fast food with preservatives and tons of other junk, diet sodas and the like.
You have to condition yourself to eat and eat a lot. I remember going out to eat with a buddy of mine after we worked out and he told me he ate his ass off. He ordered a steak and potato and a roast beef. Hell to warm up I ate 2 roast beefs and then a steak and then 2 baked potatos and then asked if I could eat his half of roast beef and steak and baked pot he was picking at on his plate that he couldn't finish. (Mind you these were real roast beef sandwhiches off the board walk in OC)
He said he got sick watching me eat all that food.
But it was good food, and the tricks you should learn and use over the years are to eat for function-eat your protein first, then carbs (if refeeding) then greens. You should eat protein carb veggie meals and protein fat veggie meals at all costs. Get the food in quick and then let it settle add in bromelain and digestive enzymes fiber and acidolphilis. Anything you can to keep your anabolic machine moving-food is the most important mix in all of this, with out suffecient quantity of calories and the right nutrients you will not grow optimally. Also get in a multivitamin in twice daily with adding in extra supplemental zinc vitamin D vitamin A Vitamin E and CA and MG and lots of Vitamin C.
Training: 99% of the people on these boards train harder than anyone else "in their opinion" and I have seen 100's of guys over the years in the gym train so hard their palms bleed. but they never got that much bigger, cause they didn't eat. Have you ever seen posts on people asking how they can train harder? Most of the time they are declaring how hardcore they are to us.
Consistency is key in training as well. like eating you need to be consistent in both your training intensity and rest periods as not to over do it. Training past failure in my opinion is the most unproductive way to train at times as any. training to failure briefly or just prior to failure is a sure way to continue gains, as long as one is consistent with diet and supps and rest periods (cycling).
Juicing/ergogens:
People make this the most complicated grail of grails. I have seen more questions about juice than any other thing over my decade plus of being on these boards. one type to bulk one type to cut one type of peptide for hyperplasia.
Nothing has changed anabolic wise in the last 30-40 years, if anything it has gotten worse because the legit pharm companies were shut down a long time ago and replaced by black market. Nothing we can do about that now.
You will see some of the most technically written posts by some of the smallest guys around (example Anthony Roberts) on juice use and receptors and this and that and it's a farce when all steroids do is simply increase nitrogen retention and the best AAS for quality muscle gains are and have always been test deca and dbol. Sure other things work like tren and eq and var and strol but the big three, or big two test and deca put more quality mass on than any other compounds.
A guy could gain like gangbusters just simply by taking a mix of the three and upping the amounts each week up and down vs a guy plotting his "all anabolic" cycle of var primo tren and even blood levels plotted in an excell spread sheet. I think most people over analyze these things it's incredible.
Insulin and GH have allowed the 250 lb barrier stage weight to be broken for some time now.
But unless you are genetically gifted you will end up getting very fat offa slin if it is abused, and end up with a very large waist when doing high doses of the peptides as well GH IGF-1. Look at these pictures below and you will see the tissue I am referring too which will haunt you forever until you really lean out and lose a tremendous amount of weight again.
Just some random thoughts from reading the boards.
So many young guys jump on this eat shit, bulk, " a calorie is a calorie" nonsense that it ruins them.
When trying to gain optimal mass people should be eating 4-5 solid meals a day and having 3-4 shakes a day of pretty clean food and not shitty fast food with preservatives and tons of other junk, diet sodas and the like.
You have to condition yourself to eat and eat a lot. I remember going out to eat with a buddy of mine after we worked out and he told me he ate his ass off. He ordered a steak and potato and a roast beef. Hell to warm up I ate 2 roast beefs and then a steak and then 2 baked potatos and then asked if I could eat his half of roast beef and steak and baked pot he was picking at on his plate that he couldn't finish. (Mind you these were real roast beef sandwhiches off the board walk in OC)
He said he got sick watching me eat all that food.
But it was good food, and the tricks you should learn and use over the years are to eat for function-eat your protein first, then carbs (if refeeding) then greens. You should eat protein carb veggie meals and protein fat veggie meals at all costs. Get the food in quick and then let it settle add in bromelain and digestive enzymes fiber and acidolphilis. Anything you can to keep your anabolic machine moving-food is the most important mix in all of this, with out suffecient quantity of calories and the right nutrients you will not grow optimally. Also get in a multivitamin in twice daily with adding in extra supplemental zinc vitamin D vitamin A Vitamin E and CA and MG and lots of Vitamin C.
Training: 99% of the people on these boards train harder than anyone else "in their opinion" and I have seen 100's of guys over the years in the gym train so hard their palms bleed. but they never got that much bigger, cause they didn't eat. Have you ever seen posts on people asking how they can train harder? Most of the time they are declaring how hardcore they are to us.
Consistency is key in training as well. like eating you need to be consistent in both your training intensity and rest periods as not to over do it. Training past failure in my opinion is the most unproductive way to train at times as any. training to failure briefly or just prior to failure is a sure way to continue gains, as long as one is consistent with diet and supps and rest periods (cycling).
Juicing/ergogens:
People make this the most complicated grail of grails. I have seen more questions about juice than any other thing over my decade plus of being on these boards. one type to bulk one type to cut one type of peptide for hyperplasia.
Nothing has changed anabolic wise in the last 30-40 years, if anything it has gotten worse because the legit pharm companies were shut down a long time ago and replaced by black market. Nothing we can do about that now.
You will see some of the most technically written posts by some of the smallest guys around (example Anthony Roberts) on juice use and receptors and this and that and it's a farce when all steroids do is simply increase nitrogen retention and the best AAS for quality muscle gains are and have always been test deca and dbol. Sure other things work like tren and eq and var and strol but the big three, or big two test and deca put more quality mass on than any other compounds.
A guy could gain like gangbusters just simply by taking a mix of the three and upping the amounts each week up and down vs a guy plotting his "all anabolic" cycle of var primo tren and even blood levels plotted in an excell spread sheet. I think most people over analyze these things it's incredible.
Insulin and GH have allowed the 250 lb barrier stage weight to be broken for some time now.
But unless you are genetically gifted you will end up getting very fat offa slin if it is abused, and end up with a very large waist when doing high doses of the peptides as well GH IGF-1. Look at these pictures below and you will see the tissue I am referring too which will haunt you forever until you really lean out and lose a tremendous amount of weight again.
Just some random thoughts from reading the boards.
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