2nd Cycle Critic (hope this isn't another fail)

[swedemiester77]

History:
About 5 4-6 week cycles of designers clones(pheraplex, superdrol, epistane). So with that under my belt I tired my first cycle.

Age: 28
Weight: 200 (I go up during and then I usually cut too hard since carbs make me store a lot of abdominal fat)

First Cycle:
1-10 Test C 500mg/week
1-4 S-Drol 40mg ED
3-10 Arimidex .4mg EOD
3-12 Nolva 20mg ED
8-12 Havoc 30mg ED

With this I had a gyno flare up that Havoc(epistane) got rid of, I used this last time to get rid of gyno Letro wouldn't.

My lifts and weight only went up the first 4 weeks, and then again during weeks 8-12. But I did feel the effects of the Test, acne and libido, but no real strength or weight gains. Of course, I was also bullking during the first 4 weeks so that could also be the cause of the gains, and lack there of after.


Next Cycle:
1 – 13 Test E 600mg/wk
1 – 12 EQ 400mg/wk
1 -15 HCG 500iu/wk
1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 15 Arimidex .4mg EOD

I am hoping the EQ will increase my appetite and plus this will be at the end of summer so no need to worry about fat gain.

Also, should i start HCG the first week or third? As I will be really shut down by end of week 4 (we're talking grapes).

 

[Quad-smack]

Looks good. If it were me, I would prefer aromasin to adex and just keep the nolva on hand in case of gyno - not likely to have a prob with gyno if you are set with aromasin. Nolva can decrease your IGF levels while aromasin can increase your IGF levels. More IGF = more growth.

 

[swedemiester77]

Looks good. If it were me, I would prefer aromasin to adex and just keep the nolva on hand in case of gyno - not likely to have a prob with gyno if you are set with aromasin. Nolva can decrease your IGF levels while aromasin can increase your IGF levels. More IGF = more growth.

Already have adex and letro and my supplier(not a board sponsor) doesnt have aromasin, otherwise I would.

I am very estrogen sensitive and developed gyno last cycle, though it could be because I didnt start adex till week 3. This time I will start it from week 1 and then maybe when I start feeling the symptoms of gyno I'll introduce nolva as to not hinder my growth if I don't have any symptoms.

 

[Quad-smack]

Food for thought: years ago I found that if I went over 400mg / week of Test, two very strange things happened.

1. I didn't grow by an extra appreciable amount.

2. I started to get more side-effects, such as (yep, you guessed it) gyno.

So, in essence what I am saying is one of the best things to find out is what your "sweet spot" is. In bodybuilding, the more is better philosophy may not always be right. When you start having to take three or four other medications to deal with the side-effects of an excess of one particular medication (aka polypharmacy) then to me something is a little out of balance.
My experience - do with it what you may.

 

[clacka]

So, in essence what I am saying is one of the best things to find out is what your "sweet spot" is. In bodybuilding, the more is better philosophy may not always be right. When you start having to take three or four other medications to deal with the side-effects of an excess of one particular medication (aka polypharmacy) then to me something is a little out of balance.

Yep agree 100% find your sweet spot and stick to it. There is always that assumption that more is better.

 

[swedemiester77]

Food for thought: years ago I found that if I went over 400mg / week of Test, two very strange things happened.

1. I didn't grow by an extra appreciable amount.

2. I started to get more side-effects, such as (yep, you guessed it) gyno.

So, in essence what I am saying is one of the best things to find out is what your "sweet spot" is. In bodybuilding, the more is better philosophy may not always be right. When you start having to take three or four other medications to deal with the side-effects of an excess of one particular medication (aka polypharmacy) then to me something is a little out of balance.
My experience - do with it what you may.

I definitely understand the diminishing returns of aas but shouldn't I have seen some gains? And how would you judge where your sweet spot is? Like go with a certain dosage per cycle, per X weeks?


Also, is my EQ duration too low? Some say to do it a minimum of 12 weeks, which I am, but will I see more, longer lasting results from going to 15 weeks?

 

[johnny1592468]

Personally i like to run EQ for 14-16 weeks.

 

[SpudToStud]

Personally i like to run EQ for 14-16 weeks.

agreed

 

[EasyEJL]

I definitely understand the diminishing returns of aas but shouldn't I have seen some gains?

depends what were your actual gains like in the first 4 weeks? If you put on 15lbs+ then on the superdrol then it wouldnt be a total surprise that the next few weeks was your body more solidifying those gains. 4 weeks @ 40mg/day for me would have me ill but also probably up 18-20lbs. Plus some of superdrol's gains are glycogen supercompensation so when it was done you may very well have been loosing some of that, while adding in some additional lean mass even if you didn't see strength gains.